The Israel-Palestine conflict

Honestly, I'm moving towards an Amalric-style solution: Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
 
More savagery:

It almost never happens: an Israeli soldier has been arrested after it looks like he's shot a boy willfully to death. The boy formed no threat. Israel denied involvement, until a bullet was found in boy's back. Also there's footage of the killing (two angles):
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.626011
Policeman faces murder charge in Nakba Day shooting of Palestinian teen

Border Police, soldiers had denied using live fire during protests in which two teens were killed, but bullet found in one of boys' backpacks led to suspected gun. (more in link)

Thank you CNN for having a rolling camera during the incident. Great job.
 
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JERUSALEM -- Two Palestinian cousins armed with meat cleavers and a gun stormed a Jerusalem synagogue during morning prayers Tuesday, killing four people in the city's bloodiest attack in years. Police killed the attackers in a shootout.

The attack ratcheted up fears of sustained violence in the city, which is already on edge amid soaring tensions over its most contested holy site.

Police said the dead worshippers were three Americans and a Briton, and that all held dual Israeli citizenship. The attack occurred in Har Nof, an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood that has a large population of English-speaking immigrants.



Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/3-ameri...alem-synagogue-attack-1.2106849#ixzz3JQpIjuzh
 
I was wondering if the topic name could be changed into Israel-Palestine, or something of that sort.

I completely missed this news:
Apparently in several countries parliaments are discussing the recognition of Palistine as a state.

Sweden has already recognized the “State of Palestine”!

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Sweden officially recognises state of Palestine
Sweden becomes first EU member in western Europe to make move, saying ‘we hope this will show the way for others’

Sweden has officially recognised the state of Palestine, the Swedish foreign minister said, less than a month after Stockholm announced its intention to make the controversial move.

“Today the government takes the decision to recognise the state of Palestine,” Margot Wallström said in a statement published in the Dagens Nyheter newspaper on Thursday.

“It is an important step that confirms the Palestinians’ right to self-determination,” the foreign minister said. “We hope that this will show the way for others.”


Sweden’s new prime minister, Stefan Löfven, announced in his inaugural address to parliament in early October that his country would become the first EU member in western Europe to recognise a Palestinian state.

While the Palestinians cheered the move, Israel summoned Sweden’s ambassador to protest and express disappointment.

Israel says the Palestinians can only receive their promised state through direct negotiations and not through other diplomatic channels.

Seven EU member states have already recognised a Palestinian state – Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Malta, Poland and Romania. Non-EU member Iceland is the only other western European nation to have done so.

The US cautioned Sweden against recognition, calling it “premature” and saying the Palestinian state could only come through a negotiated solution between Israelis and Palestinians.

In Thursday’s announcement, Wallström said: “The government considers that international law criteria for recognition of a Palestinian state have been fulfilled.”

A spokesman for the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, welcomed Sweden’s decision, describing it as “brave and historic”.

“All countries of the world that are still hesitant to recognise our right to an independent Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital, [should] follow Sweden’s lead,” his spokesman quoted him as saying.


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In the UK (check this out!), Ireland, Spain (tonight) and France (later this month), but also in the European Parliament this topic is discussed. In the Netherlands there are also wishes to put it on the agenda. Right now there is no majority in the Dutch parliament but at least there are people willing to start the debate.
 
Excellent

A United Nations Security Council draft resolution on Palestinian statehood failed to garner enough votes to pass Tuesday.

There were eight votes in favor of the measure, two against and five abstentions. Australia and the United States voted against the resolution.

Even if the measure had received the nine votes needed from the council's 15 members, the U.S. vote against it would have effectively vetoed the resolution.

U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Samantha Power said Israeli-Palestinian peace can only come from "hard choices and compromises" and that the resolution would not move the sides closer to a two-state solution.

"We voted against this resolution not because we are indifferent to the daily hardships or the security threats endured by Palestinians and Israelis. But because we know that those hardships will not cease and those threats will not subside until the parties reach a comprehensive settlement achieved through negotiations,” Power said.

Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian representative at the U.N., criticized the council and said it is not fulfilling its responsibilities.

"The Security Council has once again failed to uphold its charter duties to address these crises and to meaningfully contribute to a peaceful and lasting solution in accordance with its own resolutions," Mansour said.

The draft would have given Israel until the end of 2017 to pull out of the West Bank and Gaza back to the pre-1967 war borders. It also called for Israel and the Palestinians to reach a peace deal within one year.

The French news agency AFP quoted a Hamas spokesman criticizing Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, saying the push for a Security Council resolution was a "unilateral decision" and that he has "taken the Palestinian decision-making process hostage."

Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu praised the vote Wednesday, thanking the United States, Australia, Rwanda and Nigeria. Rwanda and Nigeria were two of the five countries that abstained, joined by Britain, Lithuania and South Korea. Russia, China, France, Argentina, Chad, Chile, Jordan and Luxembourg voted in favor of the resolution.
 
I'm so torn on statehood for Palestine. Obviously, a UN resolution is meaningless, because the territory is run by Israel. Does Palestine as an entity deserve its own country? Sure. Does Hamas deserve to run an actual country? That's the part I get stuck on.
 
A call for 1967 borders is just stupid and never will happen. You might as well call for Germany to have its pre-1914 borders
 
Yes, I do believe in the conservation of the environment. What's that got to do with anything?
 
I'll ask documented history.

Israel after the 67 war

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Israel today .. much smaller

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