Hamas are savages. Israel are savages with better technology. That's the only distinction here.
The Israel-Palestine Conflict
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Honestly, I'm moving towards an Amalric-style solution: Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
Forostar
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More savagery:
It almost never happens: an Israeli soldier has been arrested after it looks like he's shot a boy willfully to death. The boy formed no threat. Israel denied involvement, until a bullet was found in boy's back. Also there's footage of the killing (two angles):
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.626011
Thank you CNN for having a rolling camera during the incident. Great job.
It almost never happens: an Israeli soldier has been arrested after it looks like he's shot a boy willfully to death. The boy formed no threat. Israel denied involvement, until a bullet was found in boy's back. Also there's footage of the killing (two angles):
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.626011
Thank you CNN for having a rolling camera during the incident. Great job.
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bearfan
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JERUSALEM -- Two Palestinian cousins armed with meat cleavers and a gun stormed a Jerusalem synagogue during morning prayers Tuesday, killing four people in the city's bloodiest attack in years. Police killed the attackers in a shootout.
The attack ratcheted up fears of sustained violence in the city, which is already on edge amid soaring tensions over its most contested holy site.
Police said the dead worshippers were three Americans and a Briton, and that all held dual Israeli citizenship. The attack occurred in Har Nof, an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood that has a large population of English-speaking immigrants.
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/3-ameri...alem-synagogue-attack-1.2106849#ixzz3JQpIjuzh
The attack ratcheted up fears of sustained violence in the city, which is already on edge amid soaring tensions over its most contested holy site.
Police said the dead worshippers were three Americans and a Briton, and that all held dual Israeli citizenship. The attack occurred in Har Nof, an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood that has a large population of English-speaking immigrants.
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/3-ameri...alem-synagogue-attack-1.2106849#ixzz3JQpIjuzh
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
I was wondering if the topic name could be changed into Israel-Palestine, or something of that sort.
I completely missed this news:
Apparently in several countries parliaments are discussing the recognition of Palistine as a state.
Sweden has already recognized the “State of Palestine”!
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Sweden officially recognises state of Palestine
Sweden becomes first EU member in western Europe to make move, saying ‘we hope this will show the way for others’
Sweden has officially recognised the state of Palestine, the Swedish foreign minister said, less than a month after Stockholm announced its intention to make the controversial move.
“Today the government takes the decision to recognise the state of Palestine,” Margot Wallström said in a statement published in the Dagens Nyheter newspaper on Thursday.
“It is an important step that confirms the Palestinians’ right to self-determination,” the foreign minister said. “We hope that this will show the way for others.”
Sweden’s new prime minister, Stefan Löfven, announced in his inaugural address to parliament in early October that his country would become the first EU member in western Europe to recognise a Palestinian state.
While the Palestinians cheered the move, Israel summoned Sweden’s ambassador to protest and express disappointment.
Israel says the Palestinians can only receive their promised state through direct negotiations and not through other diplomatic channels.
Seven EU member states have already recognised a Palestinian state – Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Malta, Poland and Romania. Non-EU member Iceland is the only other western European nation to have done so.
The US cautioned Sweden against recognition, calling it “premature” and saying the Palestinian state could only come through a negotiated solution between Israelis and Palestinians.
In Thursday’s announcement, Wallström said: “The government considers that international law criteria for recognition of a Palestinian state have been fulfilled.”
A spokesman for the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, welcomed Sweden’s decision, describing it as “brave and historic”.
“All countries of the world that are still hesitant to recognise our right to an independent Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital, [should] follow Sweden’s lead,” his spokesman quoted him as saying.
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In the UK (check this out!), Ireland, Spain (tonight) and France (later this month), but also in the European Parliament this topic is discussed. In the Netherlands there are also wishes to put it on the agenda. Right now there is no majority in the Dutch parliament but at least there are people willing to start the debate.
I completely missed this news:
Apparently in several countries parliaments are discussing the recognition of Palistine as a state.
Sweden has already recognized the “State of Palestine”!
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Sweden officially recognises state of Palestine
Sweden becomes first EU member in western Europe to make move, saying ‘we hope this will show the way for others’
Sweden has officially recognised the state of Palestine, the Swedish foreign minister said, less than a month after Stockholm announced its intention to make the controversial move.
“Today the government takes the decision to recognise the state of Palestine,” Margot Wallström said in a statement published in the Dagens Nyheter newspaper on Thursday.
“It is an important step that confirms the Palestinians’ right to self-determination,” the foreign minister said. “We hope that this will show the way for others.”
Sweden’s new prime minister, Stefan Löfven, announced in his inaugural address to parliament in early October that his country would become the first EU member in western Europe to recognise a Palestinian state.
While the Palestinians cheered the move, Israel summoned Sweden’s ambassador to protest and express disappointment.
Israel says the Palestinians can only receive their promised state through direct negotiations and not through other diplomatic channels.
Seven EU member states have already recognised a Palestinian state – Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Malta, Poland and Romania. Non-EU member Iceland is the only other western European nation to have done so.
The US cautioned Sweden against recognition, calling it “premature” and saying the Palestinian state could only come through a negotiated solution between Israelis and Palestinians.
In Thursday’s announcement, Wallström said: “The government considers that international law criteria for recognition of a Palestinian state have been fulfilled.”
A spokesman for the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, welcomed Sweden’s decision, describing it as “brave and historic”.
“All countries of the world that are still hesitant to recognise our right to an independent Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital, [should] follow Sweden’s lead,” his spokesman quoted him as saying.
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In the UK (check this out!), Ireland, Spain (tonight) and France (later this month), but also in the European Parliament this topic is discussed. In the Netherlands there are also wishes to put it on the agenda. Right now there is no majority in the Dutch parliament but at least there are people willing to start the debate.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
French parliament votes for recognition of Palestinian state (and so did the Spanish a while back).
... French lawmakers on Tuesday urged their government to recognize Palestine, a symbolic move that will not immediately affect France's diplomatic stance but demonstrates growing European impatience with a stalled peace process. ...
... French lawmakers on Tuesday urged their government to recognize Palestine, a symbolic move that will not immediately affect France's diplomatic stance but demonstrates growing European impatience with a stalled peace process. ...
I'm so torn on statehood for Palestine. Obviously, a UN resolution is meaningless, because the territory is run by Israel. Does Palestine as an entity deserve its own country? Sure. Does Hamas deserve to run an actual country? That's the part I get stuck on.
Why do you assume that conflicts in other parts of the world are relevant to what happens in Israel & Palestine?
Yes, I do believe in the conservation of the environment. What's that got to do with anything?
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
The Germans lost land after WWII.
Here an incredibly violent and disturbing arrest.
The hate vs Israeli forces is really no rocket(!) science.
Here an incredibly violent and disturbing arrest.
The hate vs Israeli forces is really no rocket(!) science.
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bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Which means other countries gained. The land taken by Israel, most of which they gave back was taken after they were invaded by their friendly neighbors
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
That depends on who you're asking.
