Re: Greece, now.
SinisterMinisterX said:
I tried watching Zeitgeist once. Within two minutes, my bullshit detector was off the scales.
In other forums where I've seen this movie get some attention, the only freaks who believe it are the nutjob libertarians who think 9/11 was an inside job and Ron Paul will Save The Universe. I have yet to see this movie get taken seriously by someone who's not off their rocker.
Pft! I've read plenty of articles where many groups, for example academics, who believe 9/11 was an inside job. Speaking of Ron Paul, he's the only politician that actually makes sense when it comes to analyzing 9/11: America's dumb-ass foreign policies are chiefly responsible for Al-Qaeda's terrorist activities.
Zeitgeist has many flaws in it including luddite beliefs and Marxist theories.
LooseCannon said:
Ohhh…I see. All the economists who say that the economies of the G20 nations have rebounded are…….lying? Wrong?
Bernanke and all the Bernanke's across the world are just kicking the proverbial can further down the road. Wait for the next bubble.
Forostar said:
No, I see it like this:
GK and Zare as the libertarians (anti-government), and the rest on the other side. No_5 is somewhere in between (he is one of the few with interest for both ideas).
No. Zare is pro-government. Did you just miss that whole conversation between Perun and Zare?
Perun said:
And Socialism is the exact opposite of Libertarianism. Libertarians believe Obama is a Socialist.
Unfortunately, most libertarians, as most people, are economically ignorant. The spirit may be there, but alas, the libertarian movement is still in its infancy. Obama may want to be a socialist, as he's indicated about how he'd ideally like to have health care completely under government control. Also, those who've known him in his collage days attest to this. In practice, as he lives in America, he pretty much fits into the regular mold of an American politican, whether left or right. That is he's a corporatist. Corporatism means that property is private, but the government determines the flow of goods. Moreover, unlike free-market capitalism, under corporatism corporations' natural need for risk taking is taken off their shoulders by government regulations, and the burden falls on the shoulders of the tax payer. There is more to it than that, but that's the gist. The medical industry in USA is under a corporatist structure, for example, and Obamacare will increase this further. Obama has admitted the rise in cost to health care publicly.
Perun said:
So I'd rather pay for my housing myself and be a free person.
So I hear that Germans more so than any other people are eager to change their paper currency into gold. It seems that some Germans learn from their history.
LooseCannon said:
Proving even more that libertarians don't really know what they're talking about. Obama would be considered a right-wing radical in most of Europe and Canada.
One does not need to be left to be a socialist. Remember the fulling meaning of NAZI?
Perun said:
Most libertarians are people who got stuck with romantic frontiersmen ideals and would rather be cowboys shooting their way to the bar. Which is fine if you live in the Midwest or Nevada, but is inhuman for someone living in an urban, densely populated environment.
Proof?
LooseCannon said:
I agree with a lot of the ideas of libertarianism, but I think they get their core concepts wrong.
The CORE CONCEPTS are what is RIGHT with libertarianism. Government should only be concerned with courts, police and military, and the last is highly over-rated. I have not looked at everything that falls under the 'libertarian' umbrella so cannot speak for it all, but I agree that scaling down government is a must, ethically and economically. However, I do not think most human beings are intelligent, consistent or rational enough to attempt the reversal of the growth of government until the economy crashes even worse. When it gets really bad, who knows which way we'll go for any particular country. More authoritarian? Less authoritarian?
Onhell said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thank God I have nothing to worry about, I'm legal AND have no accent
. But I am already planning my great escape to Spain, which I hear is in no better shape, but at least it isn't Facist broke-ass Arizona or Drug-run Mexico.
Spain is not as right-wing as USA, but broke it is. I've heard it said of Spain, they like to live like Cubans, but pretend they're living like Americans. In other words, they want their cake and eat it, too.
