The Bomber of Lockerbie is free

I am afraid there's also a number of people who think no human has ever landed on the moon. And there's a huge pack of people on earth who actually think that everything in the bible happened exactly the way it is described.

But 9-11 is a recent event and I can imagine that it can be kind of painful when someone questions it.
Whatever happened, however it happened: There are still many victims which is tragic.
 
LooseCannon said:
I think Rik is taking the piss.
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I was taking the piss, i have a tendancy to behave like Bruce did on the famous Mission from 'Arry incident and stir things up, of course man landed on the moon, but Elvis is definately working at a chip shop in Clacton on sea!
 
I know Rik was taking the piss. I was just saying it so Zare can read it. ;)
 
Conspiracy theories are entertaining, but I feel genuinely sorry for those sheep who eat them- i.e. those about 9/11 and the Moon Landing.
 
Forostar said:
I am afraid there's also a number of people who think no human has ever landed on the moon. And there's a huge pack of people on earth who actually think that everything in the bible happened exactly the way it is described.

But 9-11 is a recent event and I can imagine that it can be kind of painful when someone questions it.
Whatever happened, however it happened: There are still many victims which is tragic.
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It wasn't all the way the bible said?  :innocent:
 
Rikstewart said:
Fair enough but did man actually land on the moon or was it filmed in a Hollywood basement? :uhm:
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I have to admit, I almost (almost) LOL'ed at that one.
 
Men landed on the moon, the bible is full of fairytales, and al'qaida didn't attack New York because there's no freaking al'qaida.

That's what they answer.  When airplanes impact the ground, they disintegrate.  Especially when they are travelling at full throttle and are full of explosive jet fuel.  So, to answer your question - the plane was blown mostly into tiny bits, and so were the people inside.  There were no bodies.  There were bits of people all over DC, though.
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Negative. There are parts of airframe that wouldn't be so badly hurt. Haven't you ever seen a military plane wreckage after it's been shot (and this one we're talking about wasn't fired at)?

@Perun, i showed you a video of something that looks like controlled demolition of the building. You showed me an article that says "the building collapsed because it was damaged", with no evidence whatsoever, and with "we believe..." everywhere, meaning pure conjecture. That pictures are really funny. You think that corner damage like that can cause whole fucking 40-story box to collapse? Well think again. And by the way, if you have any expert in statics around you, ask him a couple of questions.

But 9-11 is a recent event and I can imagine that it can be kind of painful when someone questions it.
Whatever happened, however it happened: There are still many victims which is tragic.
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Oh yeah, it happened, WTC fell down and people died. No doubt about that.
I'm just arguing the fact that terrorists/al'qaida attacked New York. And no, i don't know who did it, and it really doesn't matter to all those who died.
 
Zare said:
That pictures are really funny. You think that corner damage like that can cause whole fucking 40-story box to collapse? Well think again. And by the way, if you have any expert in statics around you, ask him a couple of questions.
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The links I pointed to clearly state that the corner damage was one of the factors that caused the building to collapse, not the only one. As I said, sometimes, more than one thing causes things to happen.
And by the way, are you an expert in statics?
 
I know a lot about physics, and tend to hang out with couple of people that work with statics on everyday basis.
 
Zare said:
Men landed on the moon, the bible is full of fairytales, and al'qaida didn't attack New York because there's no freaking al'qaida.
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There is an Al Qaeda.  I know a guy who was shot by a member of Al Qaeda.  Of course, that guy got shot in return and didn't get back up.
 
Interesting. I've read both sides links (Zare's -Perun) can't accept can't reject any of them.
And I was happy at least to read some serious answers to conspiracy theories of 'Loose Change'

For sure, I believe there are things we'll never learn about that story, some dark points,
but I'm not sure if this is a conspiracy or not.

Major incidents are never 'clean', take JFK for instance: Does anybody believes that he was killed by LH Oswald ?
 
Zare said:
Men landed on the moon, the bible is full of fairytales, and al'qaida didn't attack New York because there's no freaking al'qaida.

Negative. There are parts of airframe that wouldn't be so badly hurt. Haven't you ever seen a military plane wreckage after it's been shot (and this one we're talking about wasn't fired at)?

@Perun, i showed you a video of something that looks like controlled demolition of the building. You showed me an article that says "the building collapsed because it was damaged", with no evidence whatsoever, and with "we believe..." everywhere, meaning pure conjecture. That pictures are really funny. You think that corner damage like that can cause whole fucking 40-story box to collapse? Well think again. And by the way, if you have any expert in statics around you, ask him a couple of questions.

Oh yeah, it happened, WTC fell down and people died. No doubt about that.
I'm just arguing the fact that terrorists/al'qaida attacked New York. And no, i don't know who did it, and it really doesn't matter to all those who died.
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Are you really serious about this statement?  All the information afterwards, about the terrorists that took the flight schools?  you think that is bullshit?  And the plane that didn't crash into a building, the one that American citizens took back-- do you think that was bullshit?  I don't understand, I guess.  Unless you think that there were some random guys that all took over airplanes on the same day. 
 
Good point, Wasted, especially about Flight 93.  There are voicemails from passengers telling loved ones that the plane had been hijacked by terrorists. 

The problem with elaborate government conspiracy theories like Zare's (well, one of MANY problems) is that they assume government workers are really, really smart.  They aren't.  Maybe elsewhere in the world, but not here.  Most (not all) American politicians and bureaucrats are either dumb or lazy.  Often both.   
 
Are you really serious about this statement?  All the information afterwards, about the terrorists that took the flight schools?  you think that is bullshit?  And the plane that didn't crash into a building, the one that American citizens took back-- do you think that was bullshit?  I don't understand, I guess.  Unless you think that there were some random guys that all took over airplanes on the same day.
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Yup, those guys smashed WTC. But they weren't terrorists, and al'qaeda doesn't exist.
Those people took the "way of jihad" only because of hard cash. Their families are now safe with lots of green stuff to live with.

Most (not all) American politicians and bureaucrats are either dumb or lazy.
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You really think that your gov't is ruling your country?
I'm laughing my ass off...
 
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