So much for Nicko remaining a member of the band

Come on buddy, they are not that different, and especially not after out of nowhere being called a bellend.
Not gonna defend the bellend comment, I'm not saying that it is fine to come out of the gate swinging with that. I do maintain that there are different degrees of severity there though. Admittedly, that might feel like a distinction without meaning in the context of this thread though.
 
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But calling someone a "bell end" is ok?
I thought the severe overreaction was funny, but you're right calling someone a bellend isn't nice either. My comment should be directed at both @BludBrutha and @AncientMariner_Essex, but also in general I think this Nicko discourse has a tendency to get people riled up easily. I get it, he's a beloved member of the band and I think many people justifiably feel like Maiden has been kinda cagey about his status in the band. I have my own thoughts personally, but there's a lot about the business dealings and behind the scenes logistics of Nicko's exit that we don't know and may never know. Let's be patient and not jump down anybody's throats for speculating - and at the end of the day this is all speculation.
 
This is an Iron Maiden discussion forum. I posted an interesting thing about Iron Maiden. People enjoyed it and posted replies.

And it clearly does have a bearing on how the band view Nicko : if he was still “in the band” and being paid despite not touring (as there has been some discussion about) clearly he wouldn’t have been removed as a shareholder. So we now know this isn’t a Steve Perry/John Deacon/Mick Mars type of situation.

Happy to provide this interesting piece of information to the fans on this board and I’m sorry you chose to get personally offended by factual information.

Life must be hard when you’re a perpetually-triggered MaidenTard.
I’ll apologise for the bell end comment previously made. I certainly shouldn’t have jumped in this thread all guns blazing with that as an opening line.

I think threads like this are just pointless though and seem to exist just to try and through shade on the band. I get it, this is a maiden board where people want to talk about the band but come on, digging around to find legal documents about a band members status goes a bit above being a fan in my opinion.

Whatever the decision was/is/has been regarding Nicko it’s there business and none of ours. We don’t need to know the ins and outs of everything the band does to enjoy their music.

To finish I’ll just say that in my opinion Nicko retired. Maiden has been such a big part of his life that he didn’t want to just walk away and the rest of the band probably wanted him to stick around in some capacity hence the “Nicko is still part of the band” statement. In reality he’s not part of the band and won’t play drums for them ever again. Studio or live. He’ll just be used in some promo stuff I guess but no music.

He’s probably been removed from some of the business simply because he cashed out. The band have likely given him a very generous retirement package and part of that agreement is he be removed from the business. I bet the same thing would happen with any member. Nothing sinister going on so stop looking for anything deeper.
 
He is still a touring member/hired gun until he has decision power. And that will be when he appears as a member of the Iron Maiden LLP. Until then, he is getting paid by the band for his service, therefore is a hired gun/touring member.
This is one aspect of the change that I am curious about. Every band is different, but in most cases that involve replacements for longtime members (Richie Faulkner, Tommy Thayer, etc) it seems to me like those members are brought in as hired guns legally even if they are public facing band members and write songs/record in the studio/etc. To me, Simon is a member of the band just as much as anybody else is and I'm not really sure how a case could be made otherwise. He is currently playing the drums on tour, he has been interviewed and appeared in a video on the official channel, unless they go into the studio with Nicko or someone else I feel like the only accurate statement is that Simon is the current drummer for Iron Maiden.
 
Considering the possibilities of heavy editing/sequencing/processing in the studio especially on those super professional albums, I'd say these recordings don't prove that much - live on stage is where one proves his prowess and ability. Just generally speaking.
It's only fair to hear his original studio work with Maiden, wouldn't you say. And it's obvious that he wants to play the songs differently than Nicko. He's a more than capable drummer.
To me it"s obvious Simon is the rightful Iron Maiden member now!
Generally, yes. But he needs to record with the band first.
The whole ‘Nicko is still in the band’ felt like the comment ‘let’s stay in touch’ you make to a colleague when they are leaving. You both know it’s not true but it is a nice thing to say.
I think both the band and Nicko have really thought about it, working again. What will happen is a whole other question.
 
I think I remember reading there's 2 different Maiden companies? One that specifically about touring and one that covers other stuff like merchandising etc. Does thst ring a bell with anyone else? It could be that he's no longer a part of the touring company?

Either way I'm sure there's retirement clauses been written into the contracts for decades, Nicko being removed from the company certainly isn't an indicator of any bad blood, it's just business.
 
I wonder if stakes in Maiden LLC between members are equal (pretty sure that they aren’t) and that if Simon becomes permanent member, will he ever get a stake even remotely close to others’?
 
This is one aspect of the change that I am curious about. Every band is different, but in most cases that involve replacements for longtime members (Richie Faulkner, Tommy Thayer, etc) it seems to me like those members are brought in as hired guns legally even if they are public facing band members and write songs/record in the studio/etc. To me, Simon is a member of the band just as much as anybody else is and I'm not really sure how a case could be made otherwise. He is currently playing the drums on tour, he has been interviewed and appeared in a video on the official channel, unless they go into the studio with Nicko or someone else I feel like the only accurate statement is that Simon is the current drummer for Iron Maiden.
If he records an album with Maiden, then yes, he is a full time member, despite being a hired gun legally. But until then, we are in a grey area IMO.
 
Where was this posted? By Nick?
On Companies House. By Andy Taylor (probably). Enter OC335408 into the search box and you can download your very own copy for free!
I think I remember reading there's 2 different Maiden companies? One that specifically about touring and one that covers other stuff like merchandising etc.
There's a lot more than that - click on the link above and enter "Iron Maiden" into the search box ...
To finish I’ll just say that in my opinion Nicko retired. Maiden has been such a big part of his life that he didn’t want to just walk away and the rest of the band probably wanted him to stick around in some capacity hence the “Nicko is still part of the band” statement. In reality he’s not part of the band and won’t play drums for them ever again. Studio or live. He’ll just be used in some promo stuff I guess but no music.
He was "guest Eddie-tor" of the most recent fan club mag (issue #127) - I think that this is the most likely sort of context where we'll see him do any Maiden-related stuff going forward.
 
I think I remember reading there's 2 different Maiden companies? One that specifically about touring and one that covers other stuff like merchandising etc. Does thst ring a bell with anyone else? It could be that he's no longer a part of the touring company?

Either way I'm sure there's retirement clauses been written into the contracts for decades, Nicko being removed from the company certainly isn't an indicator of any bad blood, it's just business.
Isn't Iron Maiden Holdings still a thing? I don't keep up with stuff like that
 
Without the band LLC's operating agreement, we have no idea of the context around the removal of Nicko as a member. Usually operating agreements cover eventualities like a member's retirement or sets forth a process for expelling members. We have no idea who owns what of the company that is Iron Maiden (although I have read for years that the band is owned in equal shares by the 6 guys and Smallwood), it is not unusual for members to own different proportions of a band for various reasons.

Anyway, when a member retires the band often has the right to buy out their membership interest. No clue how Maiden have this set up but I would imagine that they pay Nicko for his ownership share in accordance to a valuation process set forth in the operating agreement, could be lump sum or over time or some other customized arrangement. He also might retain some degree of ownership. We'll never know without the contract. Determining the amount of the buyout often gets sticky, especially if the company doesn't have the resources to do it.

As for Simon, who knows how they will treat him? It wouldn't be surprising if they just hired him an an employee without an ownership interest. It also wouldn't be unheard of is he owned a smaller share of the band than everyone else. When Robert Trujillo joined Metallica I don't think it was at the same level of ownership as the other three guys, for example. Maybe that's changed over the past 2 decades.
 
Depends how they are paid. Presuming he is a shareholder if a dividend is declared he will receive the same amount proportionately to the other share holders who I presume are the other five members and potentially Rod Smallwood.
 
There are degrees to things. Calling someone a "bell end" is definitely less bad than going for "perpetually-triggered MaidenTard", which is pretty pathetic to be honest.

But this thread once again serves to show that some folks are so invested in being negative and wrestling with shadows that they don't care about any facts (funnily enough, those who claim to care about "factual information"). We've reached conspiracy-level comments at this point.

- Nicko and Maiden separated on great terms.
- Nicko was the one who wanted to stop, he wasn't fired or pushed out.
- The band clearly enjoys playing with Simon.
- Simon is definitely worthy of taking over drumming duties and has more than enough chops to deliver in the studio.
- He is obviously the next permanent member.
He is not going to "piss anyone off" and get the boot; he made it through the tour, appeared in the recap video with a speaking part, has been welcomed by most fans, got introduced by Bruce every night. He's here to stay, it's that simple.

You don't know any of this, though. You're just drawing your own conclusions based on publicly-available information just like everyone else. These are not "facts".
 
Im starting to think that nicko wasnt the first guy to say that thing about "stepping back"

That phrase about bruce timing issues,and they way he talk about the new drummer...
 
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