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Progressive rock / metal

Discussion in 'Music Discussion' started by Forostar, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler ɹǝlʍoɹԀ ʇɥƃᴉN Staff Member

  2. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler ɹǝlʍoɹԀ ʇɥƃᴉN Staff Member

    New SikTh song (Primal Rock Rebellion's vocalist is also in this band):

  3. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    Great lyrics.
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  4. jazz from hell

    jazz from hell Ancient Mariner

  5. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    RIP Allan Holdsworth. One of the guitar greats, mostly known in the instrumental rock/fusion world, but was also in UK. His solo in this tune is one of my favorites:

    Also love his tone on the IOU album.
  6. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    What? R.I.P.
    • Allan Holdsworth – guitar
    • Alan Pasqua – keyboards
    • Tony Newton – bass
    • Tony Williams – drums

    Some interesting info from his wiki page:

    Allan Holdsworth was he influenced greatly by such saxophonists as John Coltrane, Cannonball Adderley, Michael Brecker and Charlie Parker, while some of his favourite guitarists were Django Reinhardt, Joe Pass, Wes Montgomery, Jimmy Raney, Charlie Christian and Hank Marvin.

    Holdsworth has become a highly influential guitarist among advanced guitarists and is considered to be one of the most technically accomplished and most unusual players in history; according to Guitar World magazine he is "as influential as Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen". Eddie Van Halen, Frank Zappa, Shawn Lane, Neal Schon and Gary Moore have proclaimed Holdsworth to be one of the most advanced guitarists of his time.
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2017
  7. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Not surprised to see a bunch of Sax players among his influences. His legato was so smooth, as if he was blowing into a horn.
  8. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

  9. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth (August 6, 1946 - April 16, 2017).

    With enormous sadness I write to express my condolences to Allan's family on the loss of a much-loved father and grandfather, my friend and colleague. For several years in the 1970s, through my own band and 'UK', I listened to him nightly, launching sheets of sound on an unsuspecting audience, changing perceptions about what guitars and guitarists should or could be doing, thrilling me half to death.I would have paid to be at my own gig.

    Allan wasn't easy, but if it was easy it wouldn't have been Allan. Like all creative musicians he was restless and relentless in pursuit of 'the perfect sound', the one that he couldn't get out of his head, the one that would never leave him alone. Now he will be at peace. Still, my guitar gently weeps.

    Bill Bruford

  10. jazz from hell

    jazz from hell Ancient Mariner

    That is very sad, he was one of the best. RIP.
    My fave album is

    In Memoriam

    Steve Vai
    Allan Holdsworth’s unique contribution to the electric guitar is unquantifiable. I remember him saying to me once that his goal was to create a catalog of music that was undiluted. Well, that he did…. Dear Allan, you were extraordinary and from all of us who you've touched so deeply with your brilliance, we are grateful. Rest in deep peace my friend.

    Joe Satriani
    R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth. You remain an enormous inspiration to me. Your beautiful music will live on forever.

    John Petrucci
    I'm very saddened to hear about the death of Allan Holdsworth today. He was a huge influence on my playing as well an incredible artist and innovator who will be missed greatly.

    Steve Lukather
    I cant believe it!
    Allan Holdsworth, legendary guitarist of our generation !
    He changed the game + was the sweetest guy ever...

    Tony MacAlpine
    Rest in peace, my brother Allan.

    Last edited: Apr 17, 2017
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  11. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Okay, with these tributes, this man can be called the most awesome guitar player on the planet. Period. Too bad he had to die broke.
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  12. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    "Don't force yourself to listen to more progressive rock than you can take in. Take breaks from it now and again and make sure it doesn't dominate everything you do, otherwise you won't be able to enjoy it. It's not a race"

    How to Enjoy Progressive Rock
    Progressive rock, also known as “prog rock” or just “prog”, is an absolutely exceptional genre of music, and to many the greatest genre that has ever emerged in the history of recorded sound. Extremely diverse, breathtakingly complex and largely underrated in the world today, it is created by some of the most talented musicians the world has ever known, and many progressive rock songs are excellent examples of immense instrumental and songwriting creativity. But what makes this genre so special, and how does one acquire a taste for it and absorb the huge number of bands in the genre? The trick is to start small – and then take the progressive rock journey.

    1 Take into account that that this genre can be overwhelming for first-time listeners. Don't let this turn you away though! It is important to note that many popular classic rock artists, such as The Beatles, Queen and Led Zeppelin, also dabbled in this genre several times. Did you know that Led Zeppelin’s classic track “Stairway To Heaven” is actually a progressive rock song? If you enjoy that song and other lengthy classic rock pieces (such as The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" and Dire Strait's "Tunnel Of Love"), there’s a very good chance that you’ll enjoy progressive rock music as well. Also, Pink Floyd, one of the famous bands in music history, are a progressive rock band, though many are not aware of this at first. A basic love of rock music, especially from the 1960s and 1970s, is necessary for one to be able to at first appreciate and go onto enjoy progressive rock. The genre is challenging and requires an open mind.

    2 Before listening to the music, learn and memorize the various and styles (or sub genres) of progressive rock, as there are multiple of them:

      • Symphonic – Highly influenced by classical music, with complex song structures.
      • Progressive Folk – Features elements of folk, blues, country and world music.
      • Crossover – More accessible, often radio-friendly progressive rock inspired by classic rock and pop.
      • Psychedelic – Features surreal, psychedelic guitars and keyboards and sci-fi elements.
      • Eclectic – Bands in this genre play a broad range of progressive styles.
      • Progressive Metal – A mixture of progressive rock with heavy metal music.
      • Jazz Fusion – A mixture of progressive rock with jazz music.
      • Neo-Progressive Rock – More modern and often highly-advanced progressive rock, largely aimed at veteran fans.
    Remember that the styles do not end there. There’s many more – too many to list, and there are still various styles of progressive rock being developed as they constantly cross over with each other to create newer sounds. It can difficult to categorize some progressive rock bands, so sometimes it’s best to just jump in and see what’s there instead of judging

    3 Band-wise, start with Genesis. They're considered the most influential progressive rock group to progressive rock lovers. Becoming a big stadium band by the 1980s and exploring almost every style of progressive rock there is throughout their career, they are a band that is in the hearts of music lovers both inside and outside of the progressive rock world.

      • To start listening to this timeless band, get hold of their 3-disc compilation "The Platinum Collection" and listen to the three discs in order. The first disc features a lot of their pop music, some of which you may recognize from the radio, but it also contains some progressive rock material, mainly the two-part song "Home By The Sea" which is a highly accessible prog song to get into compared to others.
      • The second disc contains a good mixture of progressive rock and pop music, and this particular disc is great for acquiring a taste in the genre as it’s very accessible and light here, mainly due to the warm vocals of Phil Collins.
      • The third disc is the most challenging – it features just nine tracks from the Peter Gabriel era, with five of them clocking in at eight minutes and over. Start off by listening to the first two discs a few times, and then check out the third disc. It can be overwhelming due to the amount of talent on display and the lengths of the songs, especially on the third one, but don't give up. These songs are very special to many progressive rock fans, and soon you’ll learn to love them.
      • Take note of the fast and complex keyboard solos from virtuoso Tony Banks, Steve Hackett’s usage of melodic guitar to create atmosphere, the intricate drumming from Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford’s clever bass playing and Peter Gabriel’s dark, powerful vocals.
    4 Move on to the albums. Once you’ve absorbed and enjoyed the music of the three discs, it’s time to listen to their albums.

      • “Duke” is an excellent place to start album-wise because it features the best mixture of their progressive rock and pop music. "...And Then There Were Three..." is also an accessible and highly recommended progressive rock album.
      • Make sure to check out the essential “A Trick Of The Tail” and “Wind And Wuthering” as these two albums arguably contain their most beloved Collins-era pieces and are both considered almost flawless.
      • If these two albums aren’t your cup of tea at the moment, try some of their later albums, like “Invisible Touch” and “We Can’t Dance”, which are very radio-friendly and easy to listen to, but also show off some of their progressive rock capabilities as well, though they are less obvious.
      • Once you’ve absorbed the Collins-era music, move onto the Gabriel-era albums as well. The five albums in this era (“Trespass”, “Nursery Crime”, “Foxtrot”, “Selling England By The Pound” and “The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway”) are all recommended here, and require multiple listens as there is a lot of complexity on offer.
      • The Genesis discography is full of extra stuff worth checking out as well, including live albums, B-sides and EP tracks and two multi-disc archive collections.

    5 Get into other bands. After getting into Genesis, whose albums hopefully should have given you an interest and hunger for more progressive rock music, try out some of other progressive rock groups from the era. This genre is very diverse and there are many different styles and bands to absorb. All of these bands, all hailing from the United Kingdom, are considered the greatest in the genre, and the ones that will help you advance further into the genre thanks to their albums:

      • Yes – Similar to Genesis, this band is famous for their highly complex guitar and keyboard solos. Their songs are often science fiction-themed and are generally funky, eclectic, nonsensical and a lot of fun. Recommended albums are “Fragile”, “Close To The Edge” and “Going For The One”.
      • Pink Floyd – The most commercially successful and well-known progressive rock band, Pink Floyd’s music is highly psychedelic and experimental, with multiple elements of world music and science fiction shining through. Recommended albums are “Atom Heart Mother”, “The Dark Side Of The Moon” and “Wish You Were Here”.
      • Camel – A symphonic/eclectic prog group who are known for their luxurious and soothing guitars, melodic keyboards and proficiency for artful instrumental songs. Recommended albums are “The Snow Goose”, “Moon madness” and “Breathless”.
      • Gentle Giant – This band’s music is easy to get into and yet still very rewarding. Their songs craft an interesting medieval atmosphere, using brass, strings, percussion and woodwind instruments to great effect, and the slightly shorter lengths of their songs make them palatable for new prog fans. Recommended albums are “Three Friends”, “Octopus” and “Free Hand”.
      • Jethro Tull – A progressive folk group, whose songs feature a lot of folk and acoustic elements, woodwind incorporated by famous prog bandleader Ian Anderson, and guitar that ranges from bluesy to heavy. Recommended albums are “Aqualung”, “The Minstrel In The Gallery” and “Songs From The Wood”.
      • The Moody Blues – A crossover group who recorded mostly short and straightforward progressive rock songs that feature classical instrumentation and lyrics that range from poetic to amusing to touching. Another great band for prog newbies, especially those who love the Collins era of Genesis. Recommended albums are “Days Of Future Passed”, “On The Threshold Of A Dream” and “A Question Of Balance”.
      • Emerson, Lake & Palmer – A more difficult progressive rock band to get into, ELP’s music is largely based around the pianos and organs of keyboardist Keith Emerson, and their songs are often creatively chaotic and humorously over-the-top. Recommended albums are “Emerson, Lake & Palmer”, "Brain Salad Surgery", “Tarkus” and “Trilogy”.
      • King Crimson – Like ELP, this band may be more difficult to get into, but are considered one of the most important progressive rock bands of all. Their style is mainly eclectic and sometimes jazzy with heavy guitars and a lot of other instruments being thrown into the mix. Like with ELP, their music often gets very chaotic (and sometimes quite scary), so proceed with caution. Recommended albums include “In The Court Of The Crimson King”, “Lizard” and “Larks’ Tongues In Aspic”.
      • Renaissance – With the angelic vocals of Annie Haslam, this is a symphonic prog band who mix a classical style with folk and world music. Recommended albums are "Prologue", "Ashes Are Burning" and "Scheherazade And Other Stories".
    ... [etc. continue in article]
  13. Cornfed Hick

    Cornfed Hick Electric Eye

    Silly article that is way too dependent on Genesis. Why not start with Pink Floyd? or Yes? or King Crimson? Rush???!
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  14. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Agreed, yet somehow this article manages to overcomplicate it. Typical prog rock I guess. :p
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  15. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    Genesis is a terrible choice for first band if you're trying to get into prog.

    Pink Floyd is easily the best choice.
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  16. Cornfed Hick

    Cornfed Hick Electric Eye

    Agreed, especially if the recommended game plan is to immerse yourself in Genesis before even picking up a Floyd, Tull or Yes album. That's crazy. Gabriel-era Genesis isn't for everyone (I only like some of it).
  17. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Rush is not mentioned in the entire article. Ridiculous omission.
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  18. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    It's wikihow. Just edit it.
  19. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Yeah, the voice is certainly not the most inviting, but I'd say they have the most accessible songwriting for a prog band.
  20. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    When I tell people that my favorite genre is prog rock and they ask me to name some bands, Rush always slips my mind for some reason despite being one of my favorites. Can't understand why.

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