Osama bin Laden Killed

I don't give a rat's ass if he was given a proper burial. Of all the thousands of people's blood on his hands, does he deserve a proper burial? Did the Itallians give Mousillini a burial of catholic mass?  Appeasement is never going to win a war. Anyway, Bin Laden is not a muslim. If he were, then he would not murder inccocent people.
 
They have DNA evidence? So they've at some point in the past already taken his DNA for future reference?
 
I don't think there was anything to see. The Americans had to use facial reconstruction software to ID Osama originally, which means his face was pretty much missing. Bury the body at sea, get rid of the damn thing. The last thing we need is a spot for a martyr.

Al Qaeda is a splinter cell, but Osama was the one who moved resources around. While this doesn't end the individual threat of each cell that currently is out there, it does remove their ability to shift resources from plan A to plan B. In other words, this hurts Al Qaeda 5 years down the road. We don't know how extensive this is going to be yet, but it does hurt their ability to cause terror.

I haven't heard that they began this by torturing (don't use euphemisms) someone. According to Obama, they got actionable intelligence several months ago and worked to confirm it. Unlike Zare, I think this is necessary: if they had gone into a compound and found, say, some legitimate but eccentric Muslim with money and power in the Pakistani government, it could have been terrible for US-Pakistan relations.
As an aside, a lot of analysts are suggesting that, combined with the Arab Spring movement, this will signify the end of Al Qaeda as a force. The Arab Spring seems to have legitimized the feelings Al Qaeda harnessed to recruit; all of a sudden, supporting the Tunisians, Egyptians, and others doesn't seem like such a big deal after all.

This is a victory for the Obama foreign policy, absolutely; ballots, not bullets, have won the day in the Arab world. The death of Osama bin Laden, hiding in a compound, only proves that. Change is made by popular waves, not by extremism.
 
Does Al-Queda rally around this? Bin Laden was already a folk hero of mythic stautus when he was with the Mujahideen. I think the most positive thing his killing does is sends the message of no matter where you go or how long it takes, we will find you. Bin Laden was also a very well trained engineer. So that hurts Al-Queda's infrastructre too.
 
I don't think it hurts Al Qaeda that much. This was a symbolic victory, but I strongly doubt if he still was in practical command. He was resting in his capital villa, without internet and phone connection, built in 2005 (probably especially for him). It is said he had a kidney disease, so this was a better location to have dialysis than in some deep mountain cave.

The damned house was so near this military academy, and the whole picture makes it very likely that someone of the Pakistani secret service must have known about this. Thank God there were other ways. One of Bin-Laden's messengers was recognized by a prisoner. It took long to find that messenger again, but when they did, he lead the Americans to this location.
 
I just read that the White House has the real photos, but is unsure whether to post them or not.

On another topic, some people think that this is all faked, and that Bin Laden is alive. I say that that is bullshit. He was killed yesterday, or maybe sometime ago, but his sure dead. I don't think that US government would risk to fake it, since if he's alive he could easily give a statement that he's alive.
 
NightProwler666 said:
I just read that the White House has the real photos, but is unsure whether to post them or not.

On another topic, some people think that this is all faked, and that Bin Laden is alive. I say that that is bullshit. He was killed yesterday, or maybe sometime ago, but his sure dead. I don't think that US government would risk to fake it, since if he's alive he could easily give a statement that he's alive.
Bin Ladin is probably hiding somewhere with Elvis, Lennon and Jimmy Hoffa.
 
NightProwler666 said:
I don't think that US government would risk to fake it, since if he's alive he could easily give a statement that he's alive.

This.

Also, people, try to gain some perspective. If you guys are talking about whether this is a big blow for Al Qaeda or not... when was the last time you actually heard from them?
 
There are many "local" radical groups who act independently in various parts of the world, but they like to be called Al Qaeda when it pleases them.
 
Al-Queda is much a franchise, like McDonald's. There are some independant groups, like Foro said call themselves Al-Queda but are'nt
 
McQueda's?  Over a Billion terrorized.

Seems like very good news, but they always say you take out one and another moves in. I'll be curious to see how this pays out over the next few months.
 
I just heard an interesting question: dna test results in just a few hours ? is that possible ??

Anyway, if it's true, either is a drop in the ocean, or the calm before another storm.
 
Rotam said:
I just heard an interesting question: dna test results in just a few hours ? is that possible ??
The preliminary reports last night before President Obama's speech stated he was killed a week ago, but they changed it after the speech. DNA results take time to comeback. I don't know what is what. They got rid of the corpse alwfully quick.
Wasted The Great said:
McQueda's?  Over a Billion terrorized.
You even get a uniform, complete with a goofy hat.
 
DNA database searches take awhile. The tests can be rushed. Whereas they just needed to match, it really only does take a few hours.

Plus, by now? It's been going on for a solid day.
 
Yes! Very happy they got him, congratulations USA and the world  :)

It might be a symbolic victory over Al Qaeda for the time being. But hopefully on the longer term his death marks the beginning of the end!
 
There are some facts that make me wonder if the one they got was actually him. Maybe he's still playing domino somewhere with Elvis and Batman..
 
SixesAlltheway said:
Yes! Very happy they got him, congratulations USA and the world  :)

It might be a symbolic victory over Al Qaeda for the time being. But hopefully on the longer term his death marks the beginning of the end!

End of what? Human stupidity? Aggressive religious extremism?
Luckily for us, there's plenty of more around in various shapes and colours besides Al'Qaeda.
 
LooseCannon said:
I don't think there was anything to see. The Americans had to use facial reconstruction software to ID Osama originally, which means his face was pretty much missing. Bury the body at sea, get rid of the damn thing. The last thing we need is a spot for a martyr.

There already is a spot, this mansion where he was killed. Its really quite irrelevant if we talk about martyrs, those who are driven by that don't need a specific burial ground - the act is enough to inspire people. Which is why I don't take that as a reasonable excuse just to dump the body where no one can find it.

My problem with all this, is quite simply I am being told by a government they have committed an act but with little to no evidence at this time. Kind of like religion simply telling me why something is. There might be a reasonable explanation already, and "common sense" might agree with it, but I'd like to see some evidence first.

However, its not really the most pressing issue, the most pressing issue is what will happen as a result of this regardless if it is true or not. Also, why only now?, it seems conveniently timed for Obama.
 
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