Olympic Games Rio 2016

I don't think sport is the same as a crime. I don't think there should be a presumption of innocence, and the concept of that is silly. I think that if you have to qualify for the Olympics by being at a certain place in your sport, why not qualify for them by proving you don't dope?
 
Agreed. In general, the presumption of innocence is not relevant in sports, especially at the highest level. Competition is so fierce that even the slightest "help" could tip the scales in one or the other direction. When individual sportspeople fail a drug test, they are suspended immediately, even before the results from the second sample are revealed. When an entire country fails a drug test, so to speak, shouldn't the measures be the same?
 
Why not make two tiers. One for the clean athletes and one for the "performance enhanced" athletes?
 
LooseCannon said:
I don't think sport is the same as a crime. I don't think there should be a presumption of innocence, and the concept of that is silly. I think that if you have to qualify for the Olympics by being at a certain place in your sport, why not qualify for them by proving you don't dope?
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Okay, if you set those rules clearly from the beginning and say that there is no entitlement for a nation or an athlete to participate, at least that's a standard to go by.
 
Perun said:
Okay, if you set those rules clearly from the beginning and say that there is no entitlement for a nation or an athlete to participate, at least that's a standard to go by.
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I see it that way already, that noone is by default entitled to participate in any competition. Those who arrange any sports event, be it a local football tournament or the Olympic Games, are free to define the rules for those who want to participate. It is pretty common to have as part of the rules that the athletes must accept the event's drug test regime. This already says that the arrangers don't trust that all participants are always clean, and that upon request, any participant must be prepared to prove that he/she is, in fact, clean.

Since we are not talking about criminal law, the presumption of innocence does not need to apply. It is voluntary to participate in competitive sports.
 
Dr. Eddies Wingman said:
Since we are not talking about criminal law, the presumption of innocence does not need to apply. It is voluntary to participate in competitive sports.
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I completely agree about the sporting body setting the rules, etc. But in regards to this bit, yes its not a crime but I just feel competitors should be able to be given the chance to compete and then let the doping body test them either before, during or after. If the governing body of that sport says athletes can't compete if they are using performance enhancing drugs, then test the buggers. Don't preempt it with a blanket ban on a country. Prove the athletes are cheating before you ban them.
 
But this is not just about the athletes. We're not dealing with the occasional enhancement here and there. We're talking about a systematic, methodical practice of drugging hundreds of athletes. A mere test-and-go just doesn't cut the mustard here.
 
The real problem with all of this is that unless you have the case of someone blowing the whistle, there is no real way to see who is clean and not ... I am sure a many more are dirty than will ever get caught as the doping always out paces the testing and for those caught later on having their medals stripped, it is really too late at that point
 
Leonara Mckinnon (female épée fencer from The United Kingdom, now competing for Canada): SHUT THE FUCK UP.
(she produces LOUD annoying sounding black metallish guttering sounds, every time she scores)
 
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The match is over, so yeah, I calmed done. Maaaaan, that was annoying, and certainly for her opponent as well.

Now watching hockey (Netherlands - Argentina) and cycling, and zapping between a multitude of other sports. Earlier I enjoyed how we beat Spain in the 1/8 final with handbow. We'll probably be totally shredded by South Korea tonight in quarter final (one of their bowmen made a world record yesterday: amazing shooting).
 
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She won. She'll probably be beaten in about an hour, hour and a half against the 2014 and 2015 world champion.
 
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