Official thread for Final Frontier discussion

Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

cornfedhick said:
your typical CD is roughly 550-650 kpbs.
I thought CD's were better than uncompressed wav which is around 1400 kbps.
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Audio CD's use Red Book.

Both uncompressed WAVs and Audio CDs Red Book use standard PCM coding. So, both of them are roughly of same bandwidth @ 1.5Mbit / second for 44.1kHz 16bit audio on two channels.

Therefore, you have two factors; sample rate and resolution. When you convert real-world "analog" sound via PCM, the algorithm will take samples sequentially, one samples each 1 / 44100 seconds, and each sample will be described as a field of 16 one / zero bits.

Basically, it's like noting down amplitude level in a song once each fiftieth of a microsecond, and you have possible 65535 values to describe it. Plenty enough.

In layman's terms, original, early 90's MP3 works this way; we cut off very low and very high frequencies, because average human ear won't hear those good after all. Then we don't need high resolution to describe the picture, because we've just narrowed it. There is also something called audio masking - in human ears, there are a number of paired sound frequencies in which one cancels another. Therefore, describing cancelled frequencies is not necessary - for lossy, compressed codecs, at least.

There is also a number of algorithms and techniques used in today's lossy codec, but they're far too technical to describe.

@LC, you need a very expensive gear to hear difference between 320kbps MP3 and FLAC coded from a same source. But it's there. 
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Thanks very much for the explanation. I pretty much get it, I guess. :) The statement to LC pretty much sums it up.  :P :edmetal:
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

  Unbelievable night last night out at San Manuel in the hills above  San Bernardino!!  It seems that every new  Maiden concert is my favorite, but this night was really my favorite of all time!!  Beautiful summer night, around 75' F. at showtime, awesome sunset, gave way to an ungodly dark purple night sky as the lads came on stage.  That amphitheater up there is the perfect  venue, especially up on the 'lawn'. Huge open area, great sound as the music is trapped in the canyon by the hills surrounding.  The big screens are well above the stage and protrude outward toward the crowd.

    For those of you lucky enough to have been there last night, you know what I'm talking about.  Truly magic evening all around.  Well worth the 'hike' up to the theater.  Pure Magic!!  What a night!!  UP THE IRONS!!!   
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Great moment, bornless1. Great to see there's real Maiden lovers around in the us of a. UP THE IRONS!!! \m/
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Jeff, I would never compare the United States to you over there across the pond when comparing Maiden Fans.  You are the birthplace and I envy you all immensely as the greatest Maiden fans.  But their are millions of rabid Maiden followers here in the states, and me and my 'mates' were partying large with over 25,000 strong in Maiden glory on Saturday night!!  You over in Europe would have been mighty proud of your 'Brothers' from the states on this night.
    I'm not sure which I am now anticipating more, the album release in August, or the concerts next year!! The production of this show was so supreme, I can only imagine how great the 'big tour' will be.  This certainly rivaled the SBIT' and I think, was quite superior to the AMOLAD show.  I hope I'm not infringing on the laws of the chat gods here, but I'm just saying the setlist was outstanding, and I wouldn't have changed a thing.  If anyone is 'thinking' about getting to a show this time around, please, do it.  Best ever. UTI baby!!!
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Just because the US fans don't go batshit insane doesn't mean they aren't appreciating the music...
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Better go batshit insane at a gig than on the streets, killing people at will (although Dimebag's death would prove me wrong). What a sad state to be.
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Jeffmetal said:
Better go batshit insane at a gig than on the streets, killing people at will (although Dimebag's death would prove me wrong). What a sad state to be.

Biggest leap in logic ever?  Biggest leap in logic ever.
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Sadly, loads still didn't realize it.
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.16

Waiting to see this pop up for pre-order (Vinyl) in the US... Best Buy/Amazon have the CD up there.
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Ju

[glow=red,2,300]June 24 update:[/glow]
Even though British heavy metal legends IRON MAIDEN opted to away a new song, "El Dorado", as a free MP3 download via the band's official web site, the group's frontman Bruce Dickinson wants to make it clear that the finished product sounds much better.

After announcing to the crowd at IRON MAIDEN's June 22, 2010 headlining concert at the White River Amphitheatre in Auburn, Washington that the band wanted to perform a new track from its much-anticipated new studio album, "The Final Frontier", Dickinson said, "I do apologize to those of you who've downloaded [the song], ripped it, done whatever... 'cause it's a freebie on the web at the moment. I do apologize to those of you who have downloaded it, not for any other reason but stuff that is on the Internet sounds like shit — it just does. MP3s, how to take all the balls out of the song... It's like, MP3s to music is what zombies are to Shakespeare — absolute bullshit. It's terrible. All these people listening to songs with cotton buds stuffed in their fucking ears. What is that all about? So for all those of you poor victims who downloaded it and thought, 'Oh, right. Yeah.' Well, the song is called 'El Dorado' and if you buy the record, it should sound like this."
Source: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=142080


I can't wait to hear the final product!
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.24

Nice subject for discussion! I'm viewing the comments at blabbermouth's, some are really interesting. Like this one :

comment from Blabbermouth-->Aces_High99 said:
Oh, c'mon, Bruce...
Ever since Martin Birch stopped producing Maiden, the production has left something to be desired.
The muffled quality is the result of Steve Harris meddling too much, a guy who has admitted to having hearing damage.
If he'd just let a professional like Kevin Shirley mix and master the recordings without outside interference, everything would sound much better.
Brave New World sounded pretty good, but Dance of Death and A Matter of Life and Death both had some serious production issues.
I'm sure that The Final Frontier will have similar issues judging from the mp3.

I didn't know that Harris admitted to having hearing damage -sounds logic though  :D
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.24

I had to register here after years of reading just to post this:  I just heard El Dorado on the radio and Bruce is right!  It is 1000 times better than the mp3!  I am really excited for the new album now, it should be a great one! :yey:
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.24

Lol?
This mean the version from the CD or from the flac version it will sound much much better?
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Ju

rokyronnie said:
Lol?
This mean the version from the CD or from the flac version it will sound much much better?
Well, the mp3 version is only 192 kpbs. So both final CD and flac versions will sound better.
Picture2-22.png
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.24

pmerrill said:
I had to register here after years of reading just to post this:  I just heard El Dorado on the radio and Bruce is right!  It is 1000 times better than the mp3!  I am really excited for the new album now, it should be a great one! :yey:

Good News  :) Welcome!!  :welcome:
 
Re: Official thread for Final Frontier/El Dorado single-original post updated Jun.30

[glow=red,2,300]June 30 update:[/glow]
Jeffmetal said:
First review of The Final Frontier - (in french - could someone, please, translate into English?):
It's from this forum - http://www.maidenforum.com/

Premiere écoute de "The Final Frontier"... résumé de Guitar/part

- Satellite 15... The Final Frontier: très longue intro, grosse rythmique, break puis gros riffs. Bruce se lâche. Pas une minute de répit pendant le morceau qui d'après eux est fait pour le live.

- El Dorado: on la connait

- Mother Of Mercy: morceau calme à l'esprit très '80...

- Coming Home: ballade

- The Alchemist: plus rapide

- Isle Of Avalon: belle intro en son clair, morceau épique qui repose sur la batterie de Nicko, d'après eux l'un des meilleurs de l'album...

- Starblind: ravira les shreddeurs, chanson sur le rôle de Dieu

- The Talisman: intro acoustique influence moyennageuse

- The Man Who Would Be King: Bruce est au meillleur de sa forme, un régal il parait.

- When The Wild Wind Blows: intro très pop '80 d'après eux...
Suicidehummer said:
Google Translator says:

First listen to "The Final Frontier" ... Summary Guitar / share

- Satellite 15 ... The Final Frontier: very long intro, great rhythm, great riffs and breaks. Bruce is loose. Not a minute's respite, during which the song from them is done to live.

- El Dorado: it knows it

- Mother Of Mercy: song calm mind very '80 ...

- Coming Home: ballad

- The Alchemist: Faster

- Isle Of Avalon: nice intro clear sound, epic song based on the battery Nicko, according to them one of the best album ...

- Starblind: shreddeurs will please, song on the role of God

- The Talisman: intro acoustic influence middle-aged type

- The Man Who Would Be King: Bruce Brut its form, a treat it seems.

- When The Wild Wind Blows: intro very pop '80 after them ...
Jeffmetal said:
A bit better translation I did myself (a friend told me it doesn't say much, so I trusted him. Also, it seems the person who wrote this listened to excerpts only) - 

Satellite 15...The Final Frontier - very long intro, heavy rhythm, break then heavy riff. Bruce is loose. Not a minute of rest during the part after that. Meant for playing live.

El Dorado - This one is already known.

Mother Of Mercy - this calm part is very much in the spirit of the 80's.

Coming Home - ballad

The Alchemist - very fast

Isle Of Avalon - beautiful intro with clean/clear sound, epic excerpt that rely upon Nicko's drumming, this excerpt is one of the best on the album.

Starblind - a feast for shredders, song about the role of God

The Talisman - acoustic intro influenced by middle ages?

The Man Who Would Be King - Bruce's at his best, a delight as it seems

When The Wild Wind Blows - intro very much like their own 80's fame
Will-I-Am said:
I made some corrections, automatic translators can be very misleading sometimes

Premiere écoute de "The Final Frontier"... résumé de Guitar/part ---> First listen of "The Final Frontier"...review of Guitar/part

- Satellite 15... The Final Frontier: très longue intro, grosse rythmique, break puis gros riffs. Bruce se lâche. Pas une minute de répit pendant le morceau qui d'après eux est fait pour le live.

---> Very long intro, heavy rythms /riffs. Bruce takes off (by word letting himself go) Not a minute of rest during the song which according to them is made for live

- El Dorado: on la connait

- Mother Of Mercy: morceau calme à l'esprit très '80...  ---> calm song as in 80s style...

- Coming Home: ballade

- The Alchemist: plus rapide  ---> more fast

- Isle Of Avalon: belle intro en son clair, morceau épique qui repose sur la batterie de Nicko, d'après eux l'un des meilleurs de l'album... ---> the latest Jeff translation is rather ok 

- Starblind: ravira les shreddeurs, chanson sur le rôle de Dieu ----> idem

- The Talisman: intro acoustique influence moyennageuse  ----> yes, influence of Middle Age

- The Man Who Would Be King: Bruce est au meillleur de sa forme, un régal il parait.  ---> Jeff's latest is more or less ok as well

- When The Wild Wind Blows: intro très pop '80 d'après eux... ----> d'apres eux it's according to them (Maiden ??)
Jeffmetal said:
Thanx, Will-I-Am. :ok:

Another report from private listening session for journalists:

From Jon Horse: I heard the Maiden album today. It's fucking long as fuck, pretty good, not their best but probably a grower.

I had to listen to it on a Discman in EMI's headquarters under the supervision of a security guard. They put on a nice spread; some good coffee, nice crisps, coca-cola, water, and I got given a t-shirt too.

So paranoid are management that we couldn't listen to it acoustically. There is another playback in July with beer and stuff so that'll be more like it.

It won't be their last studio album, though, heard noises that it was really just the subject matter that led them to that title.

It was just me and Joel McIver from Metal Hammer. I just stared out the window and wrote loads of notes down – one of them about how worrying one of the tracks sounds like 'Man On The Edge'!!!??? from the Blaze era. And drummed with my pen. The security guard (Tony) said: "You had that loud enough; it was blaring." Which was momentarily concerning. During the second spin I felt really conscious of the noise of me eating Kettle Chips. And I needed a pee.

76 minutes long!!??? I'll say it again, the coffee was nice. Some good rollicking Maiden going on, i just wish there was a real 'hit single' on it just to act as a focal point. Definitely a grower, though. 'The Final Frontier' is really dense. 'Coming Home' is a great track, though; Brucie's in his element. And 'El Dorado' gets better the more you hear it.


This The X Factor related reference sounds great to me. Hope there's a tone similar to The X Factor on The Final Frontier. :edmetal:
Jeffmetal said:
French magazine Metallian will bring a review of The Final Frontier on the latest edition, which will be available on newstands tomorrow.

Travis_AKA_fonzbear2000 said:
I just realized something! Up until now, Maiden has NEVER had an album with more than 3 songs over 8 minutes long. This album has 4!!! And one of them clocks in at a WHOPPING 11 MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a fifth that's 7:48 long!!! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EASILY their best single since Wickerman!
OMG! I just realized that it's 5 songs over 8 minutes long! I'm surprised no one corrected me. This album is going to be INNNNNNNNNNNSAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hopefully someone who gets a promo copy to review has a kid who will take it and put it on their computer and share it.
 
Back
Top