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Also heard it suggested that Mark Hamill's fading youthful looks might have affected the way his character was treated and developed. He was a fresh faced young laddie in Star Wars, and a potential Leia love interest. He had facial surgery after a car accident in 77, and also looked decidedly older by the time Jedi was made, by which point Luke had become almost a sort of chaste warrior-monk type character. That's not your typical Hollywood hero. Harrison Ford's Han Solo fits that role a lot better. Which also ties in with the increasing division in storyline by the time of Jedi.
For the record, I do enjoy the division into parallel storylines.

Incidentally, I suspect there was an attempt to replicate the formula with the characters in the prequels.
Anakin is the new Luke (although of course he becomes Vader eventually). That accursed JarJar creature is intended as a geeky 'amusing alien' replacement for Chewie, Amidala is, of course, intended to be the new Leia. Prequel Obi-Wan seems to step between several roles. He starts not unlike Luke as the young hero, he also has to take on the action hero role to an extent in all three prequels, and eventually becomes more like the Obi-Wan of the originak trilogy. In Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon is more like the older Obi-Wan.
 
Incidentally, I suspect there was an attempt to replicate the formula with the characters in the prequels.
Anakin is the new Luke (although of course he becomes Vader eventually). That accursed JarJar creature is intended as a geeky 'amusing alien' replacement for Chewie, Amidala is, of course, intended to be the new Leia. Prequel Obi-Wan seems to step between several roles. He starts not unlike Luke as the young hero, he also has to take on the action hero role to an extent in all three prequels, and eventually becomes more like the Obi-Wan of the originak trilogy. In Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon is more like the older Obi-Wan.
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I think this is exactly what they were trying to do, essentially showing Luke and Anakin taking different paths in a similar set of circumstances
 
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That's a very good point.

There'd better be a good amount of Jawa's in this movie, sod ewok's for cuteness, sod wookies and lightsabres for awesomeness, Jawa's are the best at everything! Hoootini!
 
I don't know, man. I don't think Empire was going on the whole..."Darth Vader is just fucking with Luke" sort of thing. I'll ask my parents next time I talk to them if that's what they thought, and if there's anyone here who remembers seeing Empire before Jedi, were there huge conversations about it, or was it pretty much accepted as fact?

The reason I think it was cemented in Empire is because Luke so quickly accepts it as fact. He questions that in Jedi, to Yoda, but in Empire, at the end scene where he communicates with Vader telepathically, he does call him "Father" pretty easily. So in his feelings (which, as we know, he can trust to be true), he already knows the truth there.
 
It could be, but the revelation of Vader as Luke's father also matches up nicely with the scene in the tree earlier - a literal as well as a figurative successor to Vader's legacy. The Emperor and Vader have careful conversations where they do not discuss Anakin Skywalker when they talk about Luke, now that he's been revealed to them. It's obvious they're dancing around a subject. Same with Yoda and Ben - there's something MORE than that they don't want Luke to see.

The latter one might be me imposing my own memories backwards...but the other two I am sure are intentional foreshadowing, and when the movie is put together that way, it lends an intended credence to the revelation.
 
LooseCannon said:
if there's anyone here who remembers seeing Empire before Jedi, were there huge conversations about it, or was it pretty much accepted as fact?
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There were huge conversations about it. The possibility that Vader was lying was definitely plausible, and was debated amongst me and my friends, as well as in the media. It wasn't until Jedi that the debate ended.
 
The way the answer is revealed in Jedi makes it feel that way, too. Not to mention that taking it for granted in Empire violates an important rule in storytelling: Never trust the villain.
 
Brigantium said:
Didn't Luke look pretty convinced in Empire, in a Jedi-esque 'search your feelings' way?
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Yes, but remember that his training and skill were rather rudimentary.

Edit: I do remember though, that as to not risk anybody from the production crew spoiling the "I am your father" twist, that they recorded several alternatives, one being "Obi Wan is your father".
 
I'm okay with us rehashing the argument now. Because it means the movies really were that good.
 
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