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Last book i read...yeah, Demian, by H. Hesse. Aww, I like it very much. Hesse is a great witer, interesting story and plenty of interesting ideas

I good ol' Hesse. I also enjoyed that book, but you could tell Hesse is a writer and no more. While clearly influenced by Nietchze I found his knowledge of anything else, specially religion (christianity specificially) which he criticezes throughout the book, to be severely limited. For example he's take on the Story of Cain and Abel is that the mark of Cain was bravery, strenght and being smarter (and hence better) than every one else. People fear that. Um... riiiiiight. the "mark" of cain was a medallion and even though he was punished, God still loved him and protected him, unlike the pop version many Christians know that he expelled to Nod to the east of Eden scorned by God and hated by the rest of the people.

NOTE: This is a mere critique of Hesse and NOTHING MORE. DO NOT turn this into another religion thread.
 
Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte. An 18th century Romantic novel that is perhaps the greatest English novel of the Romantic period. Definitely worth a read, in fact, I would say that anyone who considers themselves versed in English literature must have read this book. They say Romeo and Juliet is the greatest tragic love story. 'They' (whoever that is) need to read Wuthering Heights.
 
While I haven't read Wuthering Heights, but I might some day, I can say that Romeo and Juliet was a joke when I read it at 15 and guess what... still is :p
 
Onhell said:
I good ol' Hesse. I also enjoyed that book, but you could tell Hesse is a writer and no more. While clearly influenced by Nietchze I found his knowledge of anything else, specially religion (christianity specificially) which he criticezes throughout the book, to be severely limited.

yeah, he has a variety od interestinh points in that book, but I was really amazed when I read "Siddhatrha". I was left  speachless how someone who clearly belongs Western culture can wirte something that simmilar to authentical hindu phiosophy...I think his trip tu India infulenced some points in the book, si it makes it my fav book no.2:))
 
I just finished reading The Devil's Highway by Luis Alberto Urrea. This book moved me because it deals with my old home, Mexico and my new one, Arizona. It details the adventure of 26 illegal immigrants from how they arranged their passage to the north to how 12 of them died in the desert (some never to be found again.) It describes in stunning detail both government policies, Border Patrol protocol and what eventually happens to those who die or make it in the Arizona desert. Many of them end in unmarked graves at Evergreen mortuary on Fort Lowell and Oracle... a place a drive by nearly every day. What is interesting about the book is that it doesn't make heroes or villians out of anybody. Sure it makes you sympathize with the illegals and their plieght, and it is easy to hate the heartless or simply selfish coyotes (desert "guides"), but he doesn't side or chastise either one.
  Still I felt deep resentment for the 'bigger fish'. Men basically extorting money from already poor people to help them MAYBE cross the border. People who don't even make 100 dollars a week are asked to fork over 2,000 to secure them passage to the U.S. The gang has a faceless leader who communicates with his lackies through cell phones, they all use aliases and they all could care less what happens to these people, after all they are making 36,000 dollars a week from similar desperate people wanting a better life for themselves and their families.
    The other thing that caught my eye, this occured in the summer of 2001 and it was all over the news as the case of "The Yuma 14", I never heard of it and I already had a year in Tucson. They weren't 14, but 26 and they were not found in Yuma, but in Wellton. The name "Yuma 14" is after the Border Patrol sector (there is the Yuma and Tucson sector) and how many dead (they're were 12, not 14 that were found). It began talks about safer border laws and better relations between Mexico and the U.S... that is until 9/11 when the the U.S went apeshit and understandably backed out.  A great book if you want a better understanding as to why people do it and how the Border Patrol handles it. Highly recommended.
 
I recently finished reading 'Lamb' by Christopher Moore. Its a hilarious account of the life of Jesus as told by his best friend Levi called Biff. Its one of those silly reads that will perk you up no matter how down you're feeling. Apparently another book by the same author thats reputed to be good is 'Fluke', but I haven't looked into it yet. Anyway, 'Lamb' is a great book if only for the laughs.
 
So I finished this a week ago or so, but haven't had time or energy to log it here. I read Why We Can't Wait by Martin Luther King Jr. It is a detailing of the past, present and future of the condition of African Americans in the U.S. The book starts by describing the state blacks lived under slavery and how, even after the Emancipation Proclamation, the establishment made sure they enjoyed little to no freedom. Then it detailed the "revolution" of 1963, how after the montgomary bus boycott, blacks slowly began to awaken from their slumber and realized they were people too, they tore down the psychological shakles of infiriority and humiliation. He also details how they focused on Birmingham, Alabama as the focus of their non-violent, direct-action sit-ins, boycotts and marches, because it was the most segregated city in the United states. Even after the ruling of Brown v. the Board of Education, the south was taking it's time to desegregate schools and not really doing much else about desegregating restaurants, stores and the like.
One of the most powerful sections of the book is a letter King wrote while he was in prison to other clergy who complained about his actions. He details his motives and how they, of all people, should know and understand why he was doing what he was doing. He was fighting injustice and unjust laws. Who is he to define just or unjust laws? A just law is one in harmony with God and man and it uplifts the human spirit while and unjust law belittles, humiliates and denigrates man, and it is these types of laws he is fighting against.
Another thing that is so powerful is that King not only talked the talk, but walked the walk, he marched with everybody and he went to jail like many others did. He makes it clear that for a movement to be successful there must be sacrifice, something deeply lacking today. The book ends on a bittersweet note as they successfully "won" their battle in birmingham and they accomplished many gains not only for blacks but many underpriviledged whites, women and children, for King pushed for civil rights, not just rights for blacks, but for all. But he knows it is not over and that there is much more to be done, sadly... since then, not much more has been done, or at least with as much passion or in such a scale.
 
Well, I've recently been reading The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner. I've not quite finished it, but at any rate I can recommend it seeing as it is a classic of English literature and it is some of the best (imo) American literature around. It's very connected to Shakespeare (starting with the title, which is a quote from Macbeth), particularly as relates to characters and the themes being dealt with. Overall, good stuff.

P.S. Warning: This is NOT an easy read. It's ok if when you first read it you don't understand whats going on. Thats part of the narrative style.
 
I recently finished Hunters of Dune and thought it was very good. I'm sure there's a Dune thread in here somewhere but I'm new and haven't found it yet. If anyone has read the entire series you will know that the last couple that Frank Herbert wrote before his death were pretty bland. You will probably also know that the two prequels written by his son and Kevin Anderson are extremely good. This installment picks up at the cliffhanger ending of Chapterhouse: Dune and kickstarts the excitement and intrigue again that was sadly missing before and prepares the reader for the final chapter of the series which looks like it will be a classic. If you haven't already, check it out.
 
Recently, I read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Phillip K. Dick. As some of you already know, it was the basis for Ridley Scott's movie, Blade Runner, but since this the reading thread, I'll be focusing on the novel and not its cinema adaptation. "Androids" takes place in a not-too-distant future on an earth that is enshrouded in a radioactive cloud following a third and final world war "Terminus" (you don't need a Latin class to understand what that means). Most of the people have fled the planet to strke up colonies on other planets, like Mars, and almost all animals have become extinct or so precious that they are bought, traded, auctioned, or financed like rare automobiles or baseball cards. People who can't afford to purchase a live animal of their own (even spiders are priced at over $100), can purchase a synthetic "electric" animal that fools no one upon cursory inspection, but don't make much for status symbols. How ironic that today we view our homes and cars in the same way these characters view animals we slaughter or stamp under our shoes on a daily basis!

The book's protagonist is named Rick Deckard, and he's a police officer in a post-apocalyptic future whose job is to track down and destroy rogue androids. Although this is clearly a science fiction work, I felt a strong flavor of noir creeping throughout the sections dealing with Deckard's career. He may be a cop from the future, yet he owes a lot of his characterization to the hardboiled, fictional detectives who came before him. This makes him an extremely entertaining character, as well as an immediately sympathetic one.

Deckard, who is looking forward to buying some real sheep, goes to visit the Tyrell corporation where he uses, the now unforgettable, Voigt-Kampff test, to see if a human is a cyborg. The Voigt-Kampff test is the key to opening the philosophical mindset of this book - "Is empathy only a human condition?" with the psychology that a replicant will test negative for empathy during the test. The question then arises for Deckard, "has he ever retired a human by mistake?". Dick challenges us to think about this (look at the book's title) as Deckard runs across the city retiring replicants who appear to lack empathy only to suddenly find himself up against a new type of Nexus 6 that does not lack empathy and has the ability to learn it. The book will keep you second guessing as to who is real and who is not, but at its heart the question "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" in conjunction with Deckard's job, and his desire to own real sheep, leads him slowly down a path of questioning this own existence and reassessing his life and what he thought he knew. As I have not read any other of Dick's work, I am unable to comment on how it compares to the rest of his output. However, this novel has certainly given me an incentive to seek them out.
 
I Just finished reading The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood. This book is clockwork orange, 1984 and Brave New World meets Feminism. It takes place in the not to distant future (the book was written in 1998) where the population's birth rates have declined below replacement levels and a fanatical sect has overthrown the U.S goverment and formed an independant republic, Gilead, in what once was the East coast of the U.S. This society has made fertile women a prime resource and because of their religious fanaticism they were able to secure a rather large "supply" of them by declaring all second marriages null and basically secuestering them along with single women. These women become "handmaids" of upper class, baren couples and their function is to have a child... period. All women are opressed and do almost all the work, handmaids have children, "marthas" are maids tending to everybody in the household, wives are there to keep up the appearance of a family and the "Aunts" are a group of women fond of "traditional values" that train the Handmaids. It is of course an oppressive society and it has a rather suprising ending, does she make it out? does she buy into the system? Dun dun dun.
 
    Finished reading Halo: First Strike and I have to say, even though it is at a middle school reading level, this is good stuff. It is so cheesy it's awesome. They say the dumbest and cheesiest lines like, "One last order Master Chief." "Sir?" "Give them hell." The only reason it works is because of the situation that surrounds it, humanity's survival does hang on a balance, so I can buy into it.

    In this one The Master Chief returns to Reach to search for his fellow Spartans and he does find some of them still alive. This is because the Covenant didn't glass the entire planet, because inside the ONI (CIA-type organization) base was built over an ancient "cave" housing a forerunner artifact that can bend space and time. They also learn that the Covenant has found the location of Earth and are planing a big attack and are rondeveauxing (sp?) at Heirophant. Master Chief with the rest of his Spartans launch a first strike (hence the title of the book in case you couldn't make the connection yourself, if you couldn't... shoot yourself, how's that for a first strike?... um) on the base to weaken the enemy.... only slightly.

     
 
I'm reading Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler. It's an amazing exploration and criticism of Soviet politics in the 1930s. As a work of political satire, it's easily on par with Orwell's 1984. While it lacks Orwell's unequalled foresight, it more than makes up for it with its brilliant philosophy and uncompromisingly brutal realism. This book will probably be remembered as one of the classics of political satire.
 
I've just finished reading Ubik by Philip K. Dick, first published in 1969. The book takes place sometime in the early nineties, although a very different early nineties from the ones we're used to, where people can be kept in a state of half-life after death and telepathic services are available for purchase. The main character is called Joe Chip, a broke technician who works as a tester for a "prudence organization", whose employees work to neutralize telepaths and stop them from reading people's minds. The story starts with the owner of the corporation getting killed in an explosion, after which Joe Chip and the psychics team get caught up in the most confusing series of events (there's no real point in trying to describe it all, you'll have to read the book).

I'm not very familiar with the works of Philip K. Dick, but all I've read by him share the basic theme that reality not objective but all about perception, and Ubik is indeed a showcase of shifting realities - a murder mystery where the main problem is to figure out who is actually dead in a world where time starts moving backwards and it's never quite clear who or what is behind it all. It is a very complex plot which leaves you wondering through most of it what has really happened, where the characters actually are and why things are the way they seem to be. Dick manages to make matters just strange enough to keep you curious without the storyline being completely incomprehensible, making for a page-turner combining comedy and more serious themes, largely about what's real and unreal (whose perceptions should you trust?) and the nature of life and death. I personally greatly enjoyed it, but if you're looking for a realistic, earthbound book it's not the best of choices.

I won't reveal what "Ubik" is, but the name is derived from the latin word "ubique", which means "everywhere".
 
Natalie said:
I recently finished reading 'Lamb' by Christopher Moore. Its a hilarious account of the life of Jesus as told by his best friend Levi called Biff. Its one of those silly reads that will perk you up no matter how down you're feeling. Apparently another book by the same author thats reputed to be good is 'Fluke', but I haven't looked into it yet. Anyway, 'Lamb' is a great book if only for the laughs.

I read "Lamb" a year or two ago, and I concur with Natalie: it is quite humorous. It adheres to the Biblical stories of Jesus, but fills in the missing details with some crazy stuff. It's also fairly short - IIRC, I read it in one or maybe two nights.
 
Helphyre said:
I'm reading Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler. It's an amazing exploration and criticism of Soviet politics in the 1930s. As a work of political satire, it's easily on par with Orwell's 1984. While it lacks Orwell's unequalled foresight, it more than makes up for it with its brilliant philosophy and uncompromisingly brutal realism. This book will probably be remembered as one of the classics of political satire.

If you like such stuff, try to get "Blocks" (original Dutch title "Blokken") by author Ferdinand Bordewijk (1884-1965).

I have made a rough translation of the Dutch wikipedia-article about this book, I hope it helps:

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"Blocks" came out one year earlier than "Brave New World" of Aldous Huxley.

It's a dystopian future-vision of a communistic-totalitairian state which mercilessly oppresses any form of individualism.

The described society is totalitairian and dictatorial, but also perfect. The 'blocks' from the title refer to the rational "straight-line-mentality," which is used by the State in the architecture and also in the society as a whole. Any round form (which reminds of the human, irrational form) is banned. In fact the State is even the main character: apart of a few rebels, which will be executed in an early stage, there's not a single individual in the story.

The book's motto is: "To S.M. Eisenstein and A. Einstein, filmcomponist and philosopher, masters of terror."

"Blokken" is stylistically, together with Knorrende Beesten (1933) and Bint (1934) one of the most extreme examples of Bordewijk's solid, violent style characterized by short sentences and abrasive language.
"Blokken" fits into the tradition of dystopias (negative visions of the future) like the Russian novel "We" (1920) by Jevgeni Zamjatin, the film Metropolis (1927) by Fritz Lang, Brave New World (1932) by Aldous Huxley and 1984 (1949) by George Orwell.
 
I'm 20 pages away from finishing The Depth of Shallow Culture by Albert J. Bergesen, a sociology professor at my university. In it he talks about how pop culture, which is shallow almost by definition since it has to appeal to the broadest number of people, hints at ideas and philosophies much deeper than people give it credit for. For example he talks about the life cycle of the sneaker or "tennis shoe" and compares them to the art cycles of Archaic, Classic and Baroque, with Mannerism and Rococo as minor transition periods befor and after Baroque. In the early 70's the Converse "All-Star" is the epitome of the Archaic shoe with a thick, flat, white sole and simple black canvas as an upper with crude stiching. Archaic like the Archaic sculptures of "man" and "woman" Kurrous and Kiros ... I think that's the Greek hehe. The mid 1980's "Air Jordan" is a Classic because it strives for balance and symetry with a clearly defined upper and sole and there is order and definition to it, much like the classic sculpture of the discus thrower. So on and so forth.
   Then he compares Don Quixote to John Rambo and how they are both symbols of decaying empires. He argues that Don Quixote emerged at a time when Spain was losing its political clout just like Rambo emerged after the Vietnam war in the U.S. They both live by out-dated codes, Don Quixote by the Knightly code of chivalry of the middle ages and Rambo by the Special Forces honor code. Both codes that when out of context (one in rural Spain, the other in the woods of Oregon) create more harm than good. Both do not start out as the iconic images we know them as today, Quixote with his tattered armor and fat sidekick squire and Rambo as the bandana-wearing, gun-slinging hero. No, Don Quixote is merely Alfonso Quijano and John Rambo is a Vietnam Vet traversing the state of Oregon. He says that Rambo got a lot of flack for the violence in the films, however Don Quixote is VERY violent as well and were that accurately depicted on the screen, he is sure critics would condem it as well.   

He also talks about why Western (American) monsters are different from Eastern (Chinese/Japanese) monsters. How American monsters follow the "Mixing Model" while Eastern monsters follow the "Essential Other" model. For example a Werewolf, a "western" monster is a wolf + man = wolfman. A Vampire: Bat+Man= Vampire. and so on. Even our heros like Spiderman follow the mixing model. While in Japan monsters are not of this world. Godzilla looks like a dinosour, but is able to shoot atomic fire from his mouth which is more akin to a dragon. Transformers come from Cybertron. Monsters in the west are weaker than those in the east. For example Dragons exist both in the East and West, however in the West the dragon can be slain, as exemplified in the myth of St. George, while in the East the Dragon is a symbol of eternal power. Also in the west a monsters rage is directly related to human action compared to the conflicts in the East where humans seem to be irrevelvant or unfortunate collateral damage. For example King Kong's rage is understandable as he was taken from his home, caged and shot at by humans, thus his reaking havok all over New York makes sense. However, Godzilla's trampling of Tokyo does not. It was AMERICAN nuclear testing that awakens him yet he aims for Tokyo just randomly destroying all he sees. Also when he "defends" humans from other creatures both creatures destroy their surroundings with little care. Like Transformers, who are fighting their war on Earth. He says it is all in the power structure. In the East which has been ruled by strong centrilzed dynasties and gave birth to a all powerful dragon, both power structure and mythical creature are far removed from the people. In the west where the power structure is modeled after greek republican democracy and which is a mixture of ideas, interests and people gives rise to weaker, "mixed" monsters.

The last chapter deals with the latent function of toys in their secondary socialization in the philosophical ideals of East and West. For example, going back to the mixing model Spiderman is spider+man, but at the same time whether he is Peter Parker or Spiderman, Peter Parker still IS spiderman, he simply wears the suit for dramatic effect. However in the east whether it is the gang of Sailor Moon cadets or the Power rangers, regular teenagers have to "morph" into their super hero selves. Since the creatures they are fighting are other-worldly to begin with they too must morph or "jump" into that other reality to be able to fight them. He argues that it stems from the philosophies of Christianity and reincarnation. For example in Christianity, Jesus is the epitome of the mixing model as he is man AND God in one, while in the East Siddartha only becomes The Buddha after extensive meditation, but once the Buddha he is no longer prince Siddartha. And that toys like Transformers which can only exist either as a car/plane/assualt vehicle or a robot, but not both (as it only creates chaos) reflect that, just like Spiderman, Superman, Wonderwoman etc. resemble the mixing model of the west and thus begin to socialize children in such ideals.

REally interesting book to say the least. I'm on the final chapter, "Bringing the Art Object Back In: Toward a New Realism in the Sociology of Culture." But I wanted to write about it now since It had been a while since I posted a decent review on this thread.
 
I'm currently awaiting a book called Reaper's gale, by Steven Ericson, a Canadian fantasy writer. The book is part 7 of the series "The Malazan book of the fallen" and is a true epic. The writer has created a complete pantheon of gods warring each other with humans as their tools, gods making alliances and humans ascending to become a sort of semi gods. Around this story are stories about soldiers, society and "love and strife" all woven together with a whole lot of humour thrown in. It's the best fantasy series I've ever read and in comparison with another acclaimed series, Robert Jordan's Wheel of time series, Ericson seems to have a story to tell. The wheel of time is on its 12th installment and the last three parts have been churning in the same spot with virtually nothing happening - that hasn't happened with Ericson's series yet, at least.
A great read with lots of "sword and sorcery" and humour, usually in a very fast pace. I recommend it to all fantasy buffs out there.
 
So I finished reading Planet of the Apes sometime last week. While the writing style is that of a 5th grader and the story in itself is inferior to the movie(s) it inspired, while rare this is the case with this book, it is still a good read. I liked it, because it was vastly different to the movie. In the book a space sailing couple find a message in a bottle written "in the language of the Earth" that tells the story of of three men, a journalist, a scientist, and the most useless character ever. They leave the Earth and travel 300 million light years away to  the star Betelguese and land on a planet they dub Soror. There they find a dumbed race of humans and the superior apes. He is captured, the scientist is separated from him and is later known that he devolves from lack of contact with other "intelligent" humans. The Journalist however, named Ulysses (I suspect a nod to the Odyssey) learns the simian languages, teaches the chimp Zira French and actually spends close to two years on the planet. Unlike in the movies, in the book it is he and Nova who have a child and present a threat to simian civilization as they are horrified at what could be a human uprising.
On Soror there is evidence that there was an earlier superior race of humans 10,000 or 10,000,000 years earlier, but I think it's 10,000. At any rate, since they are in danger they escape back to Ulysses's original ship and fly back to Earth (800 years later) and to their surprise and horror they are greated by a gorrilla... hehe. It is also known that the couple "space sailing' are also apes that scoff at the idea of rational humans and are impressed that there are still good poets out there. Good book, still with a good twist and message, but the movies are WAY better.
 
Ok, So finished reading Choke by Chuck P. The same dude that wrote Fight Club and it is just as weird. This one is about sex addicts. The story follows Victor Mancini, a medical school drop out, who is a sex addict and is stuck on his fourth step, where you admit to all your horrible deeds. REALLY raw, really funny and oddly insightful. Similar to fight club in pointing out the emptiness we surround ourselves with now-a-days and instead of having "Jack" (remember? "I'm Jack's sense of self-loathing") He constantly presents a scenario, or describes something and says "x" is not the right word but it's the firs word that comes to mind... So good ol' Chuck is one of my new favorite authors.
 
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