I thought that all of the guitars were mixed really well. Adrian also continues with what he did on songs like The Final Frontier and Coming Home, and recorded an additional acoustic guitar on this track, I think that suits well.
I never want to hear a Sneap Maiden record. The only producer aside from Shirley that might work is Steve Albini. He seems to be good at catching a live/dry sound.
I am with you on 13's sound. Of course this is how Steve wants the album to sound. Then again wasn't H always saying he did not like the sound and that he had a different idea about the mixes in the past? (post reunion I mean). Anyhow I don't think that in case Rock was hired he would force them to get the Black album sound. This guy knows how to provide space and volume. IMO Maiden songs are more atmospheric now and with less speed so the production plays a more dominant role in the end result. Rock has proven to get the prodiction tha tis suitable for each band (bar St Anger). I also love Kevin's productions for Joe Bonamassa. I just feel that the sound Maiden get is too muddy, that's about it!Did you hear Sabbath's 13? Talk about mega compression. And heavy pass on a Black Album production for Maiden. If that's your sound ideal then I get why you think Shirley is a shit mixer. That being said, Black Album is a milestone in terms of production and I love it - Just not a sound ideal that fits Maiden as far as I'm concerned.
The albums are heavily influenced by how Steve Harris wants them to sound. We would never get a Black Album style sound. We get what Steve wants us to get and Shirley delivers it to him, but far better than Steve himself would pull off. BNW is somewhat of an exception, where Shirley probably got more leeway.
I think there's been an inflation of the phrase "poor mix" when it actually means "not to my taste" or "not perfect".
Come on, you can do better that this!!!! You mean that listening to FOTD and BOS provides the same sound quality then?Same as people complaining about "poor writing" in films or TV series. It's an attempt to sound both smart and objectively correct while not really knowing what you're talking about.
This sound might suit bands like...I don't know, maybe Kyuss and so on....but I think it lacks punch to the Maiden tunes."muddy" is another one, also lads complaining about Maiden's "live sound" when they would have had no idea how Maiden record if they hadn't have been told.
Fear of the Dark isn't what I personally consider Birch's finest Maiden album - On the contrary, I prefer all of the other Birch produced studio albums . I can't get past that damn piercing and at times too loud snare. I think TBOS, even with the boomy toms, sounds more pleasant (at least the vinyl). This illustrates hos subjective this is. You think FoTD is the bee's knees, and I have a hard time with it.Come on, you can do better that this!!!! You mean that listening to FOTD and BOS provides the same sound quality then?
Come on, you can do better that this!!!! You mean that listening to FOTD and BOS provides the same sound quality then?
Steve also handles the production on most of Neurosis’s albums. Talk about a band with different time changes, instrumentation, longer songs, etc. Given to the Rising has a great sound on it, for example. It’s heavy as fuck but there’s so much space in the instruments.Steve Albini definitely and that would be something interesting to hear. I've got some albums produced by him and they do sound very dry and got that lively feeling.
For example, I still remember the feeling I got when bought Nirvana's In Utero on the day it was released, that album still feels so great. Among other stuff in his wide discography (PJ Harvey - Rid Of Me etc), one of the most impressive and interesting producers out there..
Not sure if this is a joke or not, but 'muddy' is often used to describe how music sounds. I think it comes from the idea of hearing the music through mud, rather than the noise mud itself makes.Use a word that has a meaning, mud doesn't make a sound that I've ever heard.