Martin Birch - the master

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by John Silver, Aug 24, 2018.

  1. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    Just wondering, have you heard the original release of SIT, or only the remastered version?

    Asking because I was floored by the difference between the releases when I first heard the original, after years of listening to the remaster. The latter sounds incredibly muffled compared to the former, the drums especially sound much crisper on the original release.
     
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  2. Randalf

    Randalf Ancient Mariner

    This has probably been pointed out many times by now, but anyway, it would have been interesting to see how the production of Blaze-era records would have turned out with Birch, or any producer with some considerable merits, really.
     
  3. It really is naff to destroy the sound of a whole album just because you want a sci film theme. The songs in my opinion should stand up in their own right, outside of the context of an album. The sound is shitty.
     
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  4. Perun

    Perun Stepping out bravely Staff Member

    To echo what Flash said, SIT suffered immensely from the '98 remasters. Try to find the original vinyl or one of the early CD releases. If you take those as a standard, the sound of SIT is actually one of their best. I can tell you this because I felt a similar way to you when the '98 CDs were the only Maiden releases I went by. I thought SIT just sounded like a dated 80's video game. But with a proper master, you can really tell why they did what they did.
     
  5. frus

    frus Barbed Wire Hen

    I've been listening to SIT since 87
    While the original vinyl and old cd have the 'correct' mastering and sound way better than '98, the guitar sound itself is cheesy as hell (distortion, chorus and delay anyone? Reeks of corny '80s stuff). Martin saved it from disaster by being a genius
     
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  6. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    You've been listening since 1987 so you certainly must like that sound.
     
  7. frus

    frus Barbed Wire Hen

    :D
    I like the songs, sure
    The sound could be... different (for the better :p)
     
  8. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    I am also one of those who do not particularly like the sound of Somewhere in Time. I think it is probably the only 80s Maiden album produced by Martin that sounds dated.
     
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  9. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    I love the synth and reverb-heavy 80s sound, personally. Somewhere in Time is an album that reflects the new wave aesthetic of its time.

    I've never understood why the 80s new wave sound specifically has the reputation of being cheesy. No other period in music history gets called out for being cheesy.
     
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  10. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I like the sounds more than the songs.
     
  11. SixesAlltheway

    SixesAlltheway (slow heavy metal music playing)

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  12. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    The same reason 3D video games from the late 90s are largely seen as having not aged well. Synthesizers were new technology that quickly advanced and now the 80s stuff sounds artificial/dated compared to what came after. Recorded music from the 60s and 70s has held up better because many of the sounds used back then are still used today, it is just recording technology has improved. Sounds from the 80s are only used with the purpose of sounding like the 80s.
     
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  13. frus

    frus Barbed Wire Hen

    The synths don't sound particularly cheesy on SIT, it's the guitars.

    Btw, the synths on pioneering recordings (early 70's, for example Dark side of the moon) don't sound remotely cheesy compared to the 80's. It's just the phony aesthetics of the whole decade :D
     
  14. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    Dated, I get. Cheesy, I don't.

    Though I also don't get why being dated is supposed to be a bad thing. I think it's cool for music to be a representation of their time.

    The complaint about 80s that I could understand would be one of overproduction and I think that's what the 90s responded to with the stripped down sounds anyway. But that doesn't appear to be the complaint here. Or at least, that's not what I understand from the word cheesy.
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2018
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  15. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    I beg to differ. Although it is nice to have music as a representation of the time (e.g. those charming and rather rustic NWOBHM albums from countless bands), it is much more relevant to be able to produce something that is timeless. Maiden managed to produce some timeless classic albums during the 80s that still sound great; sadly Somewhere in Time is not one of them.
     
  16. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    I disagree. I don't think timelessness is an inherently superior quality. Many times, "timelessness" simply means run-of-the-mill.
     
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  17. soundwave

    soundwave Educated Fool

    It's hard because it's such a subjective experience - I personally love the expansive & mysterious qualities of reverb/chorus on guitars, and 'overproduction' is never a concern of mine (hey, I'm a Devin Townsend fan). Others just view it as plastic sounding nonsense that connotes images of fluorescent clothing and bad hairspray.
     
  18. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    Nope. There is nothing run-of-the-mill in timeless albums like Dark Side of the Moon, A Night at the Opera or The Number of the Beast, to name just three classic albums.
     
  19. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    Great straw man.
     
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  20. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Agreed. An album doesn’t have to be timeless to be good. There are albums that are products of the time and have their own charm for that.
     

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