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bearfan

Ancient Mariner
Ofc, but team USA already played (and won) strong teams and favourites on the tournament.

I don't really appreciate the 1 to 1000 chance because that depicts your team as total cripples. You watched the game, so you tell me, if it repeated every day for three years would that be the sole time USA wins?
Yeah, I think the US coach said something like if we played them 10 times, we would probably lose the other 9, I think that is generous, I think if they played 100 games the US would be lucky to win more than 5. They had played 2 weeks earlier and the USSR won 10-3
 

LooseCannon

Enterprise-class aircraft carrier
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I don't really appreciate the 1 to 1000 chance because that depicts your team as total cripples. You watched the game, so you tell me, if it repeated every day for three years would that be the sole time USA wins?
Nah. Analytics can't take into account a lot of the other stuff going on around the ice, including just the USSR shitting the bed the way they did in that tournament.
 

Zare

Automaton Sovietico
5% seems like a reasonable chance, you know stars combine and you win :) 1/1000 is cosmic event tho.

LC, in modern times I bet the worldwide betting system keeps track of everything and adapts coefficients. I presume if game is on Monday and the fact that a player is doing teammate's wife goes public on Sunday the coefficient for the team would drop before the game.

The thing is in that Brazil game some guy bet on the score and won a ticket with 500x coefficient on it. So I wondered if someone did the same for this game but I'm unable to find any evidence apart from people hypothetically speaking about going back and betting on it.
 

LooseCannon

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The thing is in that Brazil game some guy bet on the score and won a ticket with 500x coefficient on it. So I wondered if someone did the same for this game but I'm unable to find any evidence apart from people hypothetically speaking about going back and betting on it.
I mean, sports books in the US probably weren't keeping close track of the Olympic hockey tournament at the time.
 

bearfan

Ancient Mariner
I mean, sports books in the US probably weren't keeping close track of the Olympic hockey tournament at the time.
Most likely not .. at the time hockey was a very regional sport in the US. That game, just my opinion, was the start of hockey becoming more popular nationally. They game was not even broadcast live, the replay was broadcast about 3 hours after the game ended. In pre internet days, no one had a clue what the score was unless they were at the game or got a phone call from someone who knew the score.
 

Perun

Dominus et deus
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I only saw the film in the cinema when it came out, which was too long ago for me to care to do the maths, but I seem to remember the German accents were all quite off. But I might be misremembering.
 

JudasMyGuide

Domini canis
I only saw the film in the cinema when it came out, which was too long ago for me to care to do the maths, but I seem to remember the German accents were all quite off. But I might be misremembering.

It's complicated - the actors are all German(ish) and most of them are supposed to be German in-universe, including Diane Kruger's character, who's supposed to be their "in" contact, as a famous German celebrity (so whatever her accent, it's supposed to be known as authentically "hers").

The only guy who's intentionally supposed to be off is the guy who does the gesture - he's supposed to be American British (though played by the German-Irish Michael Fassbender) and with a weird accent, but he attempts to explain that by coming from an obscure, secluded Swiss village (at the foot of Piz Palü), which sounds weird, but plausible (though IMHO and IIRC, his accent didn't sound Swiss at all, but I may be misremembering it - haven't seen it for several years, much as I actually like the movie).

If the others also sound off to a native speaker, well, that's probably beyond any possibility to be amended, because, like I said, the actors come from various parts of Germany themselves and are supposed to indeed play actual German characters (though anti-Nazi undercover ones).
 
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Perun

Dominus et deus
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I'm aware of all this, I just seem to remember that the description given in the dialogue to the accents wasn't correct. As in, "You have a Munich accent" but it actually wasn't a Munich accent. But I might misremember, I haven't seen the film in over ten years.
 

srfc

Ancient Mariner
I wonder if that's a case with lots of movie and tv stuff, but is less noticeable to us non Americans and English when they have the wrong American and English accents.
 

JudasMyGuide

Domini canis
Interesting to hear that. I guess that's to be expected - much as the film tries to play on nationalities and languages and accents, well, I wouldn't be surprised if it got just as many things completely wrong as it did right.
 

Perun

Dominus et deus
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I wonder if that's a case with lots of movie and tv stuff, but is less noticeable to us non Americans and English when they have the wrong American and English accents.

I can tell you that Daniel Brühl's Viennese accent in Rush was pretty much spot on, but since he was playing a public person with a lot of recordings that's to be expected. Something else I noticed however was that the directing and acting in the German-only scenes was generally of lesser quality than in the rest of the film. I noticed the same thing about a German-produced biopic about Hannah Arendt which had a number of scenes exclusively in English.
Bottom line: Directors seem to be taking a risk when they do bilingual films and this may only be noticeable to audiences fluent in both languages.
 

srfc

Ancient Mariner
I don't watch a lot of Irish made drama etc. because it's mostly shite, but there was an ok gangster/drugdealer style show on a few years ago and I found it real distracting when some actors had genuine working class accents and others were posh guys putting on the accents. And their accents weren't even particularly bad. I remember thinking at the time do Americans spot things like e.g. a particular character on a show has a wildly different accent from people supposedly in his same family etc. that would be completely oblivious to me.
 
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