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Jer
A window to the west, a blazing star above
What a thoughtful response. I’m in awe.
Black Wizard
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Chrissie J showing precisely why he mimes at live shows.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Yeha that sounded like shit.
It surely does.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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Seemed a reasonable preemptive response to something LC's already told us about. No "apparently" about it.
Would it have made more sense, rather than calling him a homophobe, if I'd asked you why you were honouring a guy who was kicked off the forum for using homphobic language?
Jer
A window to the west, a blazing star above
For the same reason that I can say some Andrew Dice Clay jokes are funny, or that Eddie Murphy should be allowed to have a career after Delirious, or that many religious people aren’t inherently awful human beings just because their belief system makes them homophobic. People are more than whatever single litmus test you personally choose to use to judge their total worth. Keep that in mind 20 years from now when someone decides to harshly judge you for your own digital footprint.
@John Silver was funny. He played a rhyming tough guy character that would probably use offensive language like the words he wound up using that got him justifiably banned. But he also had some thoughtful contributions on music, which you can still see if you look at his backlog of posts. I think we’re worse off without him, though it’s totally understandable why he’s gone.
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The difference here is that we didn't ban John Silver for what he did in the past. We extended him the benefit of the doubt, explained why what he said was wrong, and asked him not to do it again. We banned him for breaking those rules. He did it knowing full well the consequences of his actions. When he chose to talk about music, he could contribute a lot to discussion, but I won't say we're worse off without him. This is a space where people should be able to come without having to see slurs about who they are. I'd rather welcome those people than keep a John Silver who won't pay attention to the rules and post things knowing it could hurt others.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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I get what you're saying Jer; but that's literally all I asked you. Didn't require you to lecture me on cancel culture. Plus, as LC says, this isn't some dude from the past; this was right now.
Magnus
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We all know he was banned for being the most vocal Di'anno supporter here, not for his rag & maggot rhymes.
For those who need it, and by now I do know some peeps here do: 
jazz from hell
Ancient Mariner
Homophobia is obsolete, just like John Silver. So I completely support the ban.
Having said that, I’m guilty myself, as in Jer’s sense... I called chorus pedals „gay“ recently, the others looking at me like I‘m a complete dick(but is there a better word in this case???)
Times have changed big time in the past several years, at least where I live. 20 years ago it was a terrifying thing to be considered gay. I was in the army then (hated it), but it was all around, men calling each other gay and being afraid of being called gay themselves. Also women calling men gay btw! So I‘m very glad it’s changed so much here.
Having said that, I’m guilty myself, as in Jer’s sense... I called chorus pedals „gay“ recently, the others looking at me like I‘m a complete dick(but is there a better word in this case???)
Times have changed big time in the past several years, at least where I live. 20 years ago it was a terrifying thing to be considered gay. I was in the army then (hated it), but it was all around, men calling each other gay and being afraid of being called gay themselves. Also women calling men gay btw! So I‘m very glad it’s changed so much here.
It's changed here too. When I was young, calling people or things "gay" as an insult was normal. I did it lots, and I didn't realize how it hurt people at the time, it was just a thing people said. So now I try to do a lot better on it, and I pretty much have, happily.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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^ Pretty good sum-up of probably what the majority of people of a certain young/30's/40's age think about this. Things change, you stop and think more, and stop saying these things.
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The turning point for me was in 2011 with the first pride demonstration in my town. Before that event I was in the "get out of my lawn" camp; why don't hetero people march, everyone should keep their private life inside 4 walls, etc. In 2011 the pride column got attacked by the lowest of the scum. I became pretty infuriated especially after seeing just who is in the column and who's in the anti-gay hooligan bunch, and turned my opinion about this 180 degrees. Now it's keep your hate in 4 walls.
I remember you arguing against Pride demonstrations. I also noticed that your opinion has changed, and well done.
I mean, I remember being 16 and people talking about gay marriage and I wasn't sure if it should be allowed or not. Then I realized that governmental marriage and religious marriage were different things, and now I go...fuck religion.
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Well you can change opinion in a matter of a second if you don't harbuor homophobic feelings. Back then, my opinion was formed by prevalent mentality traits of the environment. It may be hard to explain, but it's "we hate when someone puts himself in a spotlight" sort of thing. So we thought these people are parading just for fun, and when they were attacked, it was clear that their demonstration was a necessity and that general populace is not that aware of the bad stuff happening to LGBT people.
Black Wizard
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The latest in Bach vs. Jericho: https://blabbermouth.net/news/sebastian-bach-to-chris-jericho-your-singing-sucks/
Black Wizard
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Jericho is living rent free inside Bach's head. I'm sure Chrissie J would love to have a sing-off with Bach because he'd find it hilarious and would just treat it like a wrestling belt match with all the trash talking. He knows what he's doing.