It was the 'k' sound I was talking about actually. I assume it's said elsewhere in the song.
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SixesAlltheway
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Listen to the forvo link again there's a pretty big emphasis on the OOR ending. Then add, that the way the singer sings is also very deep and drawn out.
Black Wizard
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I'm going to have to get my passport renewed for the trip to Oslo. It's received a bit of damage over the years and probably won't be accepted.
Cat Milk Supreme
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It's been known I love Vintersorg's Vildmarkens förtrollande stämmor
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Never heard of these guys but been listenin to 'em for the last 25mins, good stuff (I normally dont tolerate the screamy vocal stuff), cheers for the enrichment of my wine soaked evening!
It's been known I love Vintersorg's Vildmarkens förtrollande stämmor
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Never heard of these guys but been listenin to 'em for the last 25mins, good stuff (I normally dont tolerate the screamy vocal stuff), cheers for the enrichment of my wine soaked evening!
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Sadly, yes. Actually a leading k is pronounced either like the one in Keg, kitchen etc., or like the ch in German ich. But the latter is more and more frequently pronounced like sh (or German sch). Especially younger people fail to distinguish between the two sounds.
Do it fast, it took ages to get mine back last time. dare I ask how the damage occurred?
Great. The only Norwegian I know is sloppy Norwegian.
Black Wizard
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It's just damage that's accumulated over time, mainly from getting wet in my pocket when it's been raining.
SixesAlltheway
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Maybe a part 2? There's plenty of good NWOBHM albums out there. Or maybe a list on US power metal or the New Wave of Tradition Metal?
JudasMyGuide
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But where are you getting the k sound from in Stämmor though I wonder...
It was from the whole song, sorry I didn't clarify it more. There's this:
"Med frihetstrånad och kämpande vid vittringsblock"
where he sings that like "shempende", and there's also
"Ett dämpat brus som stammar ur skymningstidens spel"
where he sings that like "shimningstindance"
Come to think of it, the German ch in 'ich' (similar to the Scottish ch in 'loch'), isn't the same as the k in keg or kitchen. Some of my classmates in German lessons at school often turned 'ich' into 'ish'.
SixesAlltheway
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Ahh. yeah I thought you asked specifically about the example of "steh-moor"that you gave. Yes that's true. Som k's are pronounced like Wiugman says like the soft ch...
Kämpe = to fight
listen:
http://da.forvo.com/search/kämpe/sv/
Likewise with Skymring which means "dusk", Skumring in Danish. We pronouce the k more though..
http://da.forvo.com/word/skumring/#da
Kämpe = to fight
listen:
http://da.forvo.com/search/kämpe/sv/
Likewise with Skymring which means "dusk", Skumring in Danish. We pronouce the k more though..
http://da.forvo.com/word/skumring/#da
JudasMyGuide
Ancient Mariner
Thank you! 
Swedish sounds just wonderful, I hope I will manage to learn the basics at least someday.
Swedish sounds just wonderful, I hope I will manage to learn the basics at least someday.
You're mixing things up. German orthography uses 'ch' for two distinct sounds, one being the voiceless velar fricative as in Scottish 'loch', the other being a voiceless palatal fricative, as in German 'ich'. The closest thing English has to that is a 'hj' sound, as in 'huge' when pronounced in Oxford English. It's one of the sounds in German that is the hardest to reproduce by non-native speakers and even a lot of native speakers who speak variant dialects - as you noted, it turns to 'sh' very easily. In fact, more and more native speakers are losing the ability to pronounce it properly, and it will probably completely disappear in a few generations.
Excellent. So I also speak sloppy German.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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Sloppy is a great word. Congratulation Brigs!
JudasMyGuide
Ancient Mariner
Every tongue not mother tongue is sloppy seconds, unfortunately. This very sentence proves it.
EDIT: Not so sure whether I'm all that comfortable using the words "mother", "tongue" and "sloppy seconds" in a single sentence, but hey, what can you do...
EDIT: Not so sure whether I'm all that comfortable using the words "mother", "tongue" and "sloppy seconds" in a single sentence, but hey, what can you do...
'Sloppy seconds' means something completely different!
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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Do explain, Brigs. None of us know quite what you're talking about...
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JudasMyGuide
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By the way, after some 
I think I found the answer to the “k mystery” in Swedish. It’s similar to Latin:
It would seem that k changes into something like “sch” when followed by “e”, “i”, “y” and the similar phonemes, that is “ä” and “ö”. Otherwise it’s the hard “k” sound.
So, “sche”, but “ka”.
Of course, not taking into consideration the exceptions, like “kör” pronounced “Cher” is something concerning driving, but “kör” pronounced “care/coer” means choir.
Just so you know.
Also, excuse my limited phonetic explanations, I know care, coer (F) and kör (S) etc. sound nothing alike.
I think I found the answer to the “k mystery” in Swedish. It’s similar to Latin:It would seem that k changes into something like “sch” when followed by “e”, “i”, “y” and the similar phonemes, that is “ä” and “ö”. Otherwise it’s the hard “k” sound.
So, “sche”, but “ka”.
Of course, not taking into consideration the exceptions, like “kör” pronounced “Cher” is something concerning driving, but “kör” pronounced “care/coer” means choir.
Just so you know.
Also, excuse my limited phonetic explanations, I know care, coer (F) and kör (S) etc. sound nothing alike.
