Never underestimate chalk. Once stuck some chalk dust in a petri dish of agar jelly and it grew some very interesting cultures.
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Black Wizard
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I find chalk a very unpleasant thing to touch.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
So in today's class we had a debate about gay rights (among other things) and some dude said that if we let gay people adopt kids and get married, then their kids will become gay which will lead to the whole country becoming gay and therefore we'll all go extinct.
I hope him and people of same mindset do go extinct.
Travis The Dragon
AFTERGLOW!!!
I haven't had any for some time now. But hey, the masses are doing exactly what the Illuminati wants them to. They're thinking all of this stuff is just made up conspiracies and not believing any of it instead of making a stand and fighting against it. That makes it a lot easier for them to plan their next false flag attack and continue their world domination and get away with everything else they're doing. But maybe I'll plant some seeds and wake someone up. It took quite a bit of convincing from a friend on Facebook for me to become aware of all of everything.
Travis The Dragon
AFTERGLOW!!!
What science? Buildings can't come crashing down like that just from some burning plus it's a fact that it takes much greater heat temps to melt steel beams. And where was all the office stuff after they crashed down? How did it all turn to dust? And how were the passports of the supposed hijackers found? Take a few hours and watch some of the various 911 conspiracy videos out there and put the pieces together. Or maybe you have and still refuse to believe it which is your opinion. At least some people have woken up to what is really going on.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Was that friend, by any chance, your pot dealer?
Travis The Dragon
AFTERGLOW!!!
Like I said, I haven't been high for some time and I was completely sober when I started to believe in all of this.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Maybe should go back to pot then
Travis The Dragon
AFTERGLOW!!!
Maybe should go back to pot then
I sure could use some. My mom just needs to give her friend a call.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
This last week has been so bloody ... Brussels, Istanbul, Iskandariya (right outside Baghdad), and then Lahore. Brave suicide bombers attacking heavily defended military targets. Or maybe not. Squares, airports, stadiums and markets. Fucking cowards.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft
Meme Only Account
Sober? Not the pot? This isn't helping your case here, Travis...
@Travis The Dragon Don't read the spoilers unless you want your mind blown!
"just some burning" is a bit of an understatement of what happened. There was some massive amount of fire in those buildings. Here's a shot of WTC7 "They" (i.e. conspiracy theorists) don't want you to see:
But it's not "just" the fire that brought down either the WTC towers or WTC7. All three buildings had suffered immense structural damage: The WTC towers when they were hit by two aeroplanes, and WTC7 when it was hit by debris from the collapsing WTC towers.
It is therefore also a fallacy to compare the burning and collapse to other high rise buildings that neither had the same structure as the WTC buildings, nor received any structural damage in addition to the fire. This is done in every 9/11 conspiracy video, and it's a straw man argument. Find another two high rise buildings hit full speed by major airliners in a comparable structural position and a third one that was hit by this amount of fallen debris. If they didn't collapse due to this, then we may have a case.
It's indeed called "science".
But it's not "just" the fire that brought down either the WTC towers or WTC7. All three buildings had suffered immense structural damage: The WTC towers when they were hit by two aeroplanes, and WTC7 when it was hit by debris from the collapsing WTC towers.
It is therefore also a fallacy to compare the burning and collapse to other high rise buildings that neither had the same structure as the WTC buildings, nor received any structural damage in addition to the fire. This is done in every 9/11 conspiracy video, and it's a straw man argument. Find another two high rise buildings hit full speed by major airliners in a comparable structural position and a third one that was hit by this amount of fallen debris. If they didn't collapse due to this, then we may have a case.
It's indeed called "science".
The steel beams in the WTC weren't molten, and nobody claims that. Steel expands at a much lesser temperature than it melts, and this is where structural damage already takes place - they didn't need to melt in order to collapse. The liquidised metal found in the WTC debris was more likely to be aluminum, which indeed melts at a much lower point than steel does. Where does so much aluminum come from, you may ask? Two 767 airliners may be a good start.
In the debris. I don't know if you saw the footage on the news back then, but you could see a lot of paper falling from the windows. Computers and hard drives were recovered in the debris and there were widely publicised attempts to restore the data from the hard drives. Very much obviously also gets destroyed when it falls over hundreds of metres.
All of it didn't. Very much survived. The pictures you see are usually taken from very high altitudes. You wouldn't make out a small shred of paper on the street from the 15th floor, so why would you in this case, if it's all covered with dust and debris? And why wouldn't some "office stuff" turn to dust if it falls down over hundreds of metres and gets buried by falling steel and concrete?
It was only one. And why wouldn't it? Stuff gets blown everywhere during explosions. We've already established that lots of paper and "office stuff" was recovered. Why would "They" put a passport in the debris if you shouldn't expect to find it? Wouldn't "They" know better?
I have. They are all full of falsities. Every single claim made can be proven wrong with a few minutes worth of real research. You're doing the same as every conspiracy theorist: Make outrageous claims and then say "do your own research! Draw your own conclusions!" as if that means your claims are objectively true. No, Travis. They aren't. And if you make claims, you are the one who needs to back them up. This is called "burden of proof". It's on the one who makes a claim, not someone else. So if you're serious about this, refute all my rebuttals, or give me some proof. Don't tell me to do my own research, because I have.
As per Perun. That just saved me a lot of typing of my own. This is just the thing. I have seen these videos and read the websites, and all the ones I've seen don't stand up at all. Conspiracy theories all seem to start with a preconceived idea that it was an inside job, and then look for potential evidence to back it up, or question and pick holes in what evidence is in front of us, without presenting a logical and convincing case of their own. I've read and watched a lot on aviation disasters, and the forces involved are tremendous, but at the same time, it's not unusual for small objects in particular, like passports, to survive. Good article on the technical aspects of the building collapse here.
Far from conspiracy theories being free thinking, I find them the opposite. It involves an unquestioning belief in what someone else tells the listener, and keeping a closed mind to anything that doesn't tally with that.
Saapanael
Ancient Mariner
The world only mourns for Europe.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Not very different from religious or ideologic fanatism, actually.
Buildings CAN come crashing down from significant structural failure, which is exactly what happened. This failure was caused by the weakening of steel beams due to excessive heat. Travis, you're right. The fire of jet fuel isn't hot enough to melt steel. But it is hot enough to ignite concrete. Yes, concrete burns. And it burns much hotter than jet fuel, hot enough to begin weakening steel beams, and make them unable to hold up a huge building. Which then collapsed.
What is office stuff made of? Wood. Plastic. Paper. How are these supposed to survive? Check out this image:
Look what they're standing on. Look close enough and you can see carpets, melted chairs, bits of wall. It's all just covered in dust, so you can't really see it easily. Funnily enough, building collapses are REALLY DIRTY.
Travis, do you have drywall in your house? Go punch it. Now, note how the dust comes off of it. Now, imagine a fucking airplane slamming into the drywall. Fun thing is, if you hit concrete hard enough, it will do the same thing. The same structural collapse that destroyed the building created mass vibrations. It was like a localized earthquake inside the building. It turned everything that could be turned to dust right the fuck to dust. Like a paint mixer on an unbelievable scale.
Now, this is a new one on me, but a quick look tells me that one passport was found, and it was found several blocks away. My guess is that it was blown away with a lot of the plane parts when the plane exploded. An explosion isn't fire. It is force. In many cases, it manifests as fire, but primarily, it's force. This can fling things away, shatter suitcases, blow bodies apart. How did they find the body parts of individual people on the plane scattered around? Same principle. Those parts weren't always burnt. Passports and other documents can survive based on the same principle.
In addition, most passports are pretty heavy duty paper and leather covering designed to protect them to an extent from a catastrophe. And, they only found one. It's not like they found 20 of them.
This might shock you, Travis, but I have. I have watched multiple hours of conspiracy stuff, and yes, with an open mind (a lot of it was when I was much younger). And I have never found a single claim to survive more than a few heartbeats of concentrated thought. They rely on your lack of information to fleece you, Travis. I don't expect you to be a brilliant scholar, nor to follow the science, but if this is the alternative...man. It just doesn't make any sense how any of this junk could be true.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Sadly, I am convinced that the above posts will, from that other point-of-view, only serve as evidence that you all are closed-minded and dare not accept anything but the official story.
So am I, because that's the conspiracy mindset. It is a belief, just like someone might believe Jesus rose from the dead, or someone might believe that Santa Claus exists. Believing in conspiracies is a sign that someone isn't scientific, and is close-minded.