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A shame that Goodell stayed at home. I'd think it would be in the commissioner's job description to attend his league's season-opening game. He's a coward.
 
You have to give Ripper credit for that vocal performance though. It really does sound like an eagle crying.
 
Possibly best song ever.
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You have to give Ripper credit for that vocal performance though. It really does sound like an eagle crying.

His performance is good. The problem with the song is that it is a nationalist us-and-them anthem. THEY (no matter who they are) must pay for what they did to US (make whatever puns you wish out of that). In retrospect, seeing as the US started two wars with background in 9/11, such a song would best be forgotten. The song basically says "someone has to pay for this".
 
His performance is good. The problem with the song is that it is a nationalist us-and-them anthem. THEY (no matter who they are) must pay for what they did to US (make whatever puns you wish out of that). In retrospect, seeing as the US started two wars with background in 9/11, such a song would best be forgotten. The song basically says "someone has to pay for this".
I agree, I always felt like the song (along with the two wars you mentioned) trivialized the the event. Like they were capitalizing on a tragedy.

I was being mostly sarcastic anyway. I can't stand Ripper's whiny voice on that song (and most of that album).
 
Not to sound like a heartless prick, but a lot of people in the States are prone to trivializing 9/11. It was a major tragedy but I've seen far too many people act like that's the worst thing that ever happened in the history of the earth. What was done in retaliation of the attack was a way bigger tragedy.
 
Not to sound like a heartless prick, but a lot of people in the States are prone to trivializing 9/11. It was a major tragedy but I've seen far too many people act like that's the worst thing that ever happened in the history of the earth.
No, you're right about that. I'm not really a fan of discussing which tragedies were worse than others, but otherwise I agree.

It's frustrating that instead of trying to come out of it a stronger and more unified country, we (the U.S.) let it divide us even more and were more concerned about playing the victim. And almost 15 years later it doesn't seem like we've moved on from that.
 
One thing's for sure about the 9/11 attacks. They changed the public debate about immigratio, integration of immigrants, and about the place of Isliam in the West. (at least in form, if not in deeper motivation). I can't remember religion being part of the immigration debate in the 90s. The xenophobic wing still argued in terms of preserving the culture (and the more extreme, preserving the white race). After 9/11, religion became their favourite argument.
 
I think you're mistaken about the meaning of "trivialize", since those two statements are completely opposite.

I'm not mistaken about the word. People putting too much emphasis on the event in turn trivializes it. It becomes a phony agitation instead of a tragedy to be remembered.
 
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