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MrKnickerbocker
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I hurtle bodies that lay on the ground to reach that beer.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
You take my pint but I'll take yours too
What the fuck does "the same civilization that brought us Hitler and Stalin" even mean? Are you referring to "western civilization"? Jesus.
As I put it in a foot note recently: The irony that the accusation of the "West" creating a simplified vision of "The Orient" postulates an equally simplified vision of "The West" (which, in turn, is generally based on American perception), is usually lost on critics.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
What is Estonia's legal drinking age?
I would have said, "I hurdle bottles that lay on the ground", but that is probably too obvious.
MrKnickerbocker
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...nope, that's much better!
Coffee time!
Coffee time!
Moon Child
Ancient Mariner
Good morning all! Though most of you are not in this time if of day... But good morning anyway! 
I dunno. Definitely a neo-feminist. Now, I consider myself a feminist, and recognize there's huge problems with the way our society handles gender-related issues. But. There is such thing as taking that beyond the logical extreme.
Ariana
Black-and-white leopard
You sound like an alcoholic, Saap.
Saapanael
Ancient Mariner
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
When you talk about "The West" you sound like a character from Lord of the Rings.
The thing that I don't get is the way they bundle civilization that way. I get the feeling it's done honestly, but it's not done from a sense of reasoning. I seriously feel like post-feminists, neo-feminists, whatever, look at the world, scoff, say, "men!" derisively, and then believe that if women had been the dominant gender things would be magically better.
Saapanael
Ancient Mariner
You sound like an alcoholic, Saap.
I'm not one though. A friend happened to have the bottle in his school bag
. He said it costs ridiculously much.
Western civilization is a thing. But it's not so much of a thing as some people like to believe.
But isn't that the very necessity of ideology? To define itself by the difference and opposition to something else? What does it matter, then, that the ideological opponent is diverse? Did the cold warriors care for the political differences in the Soviet Union, East Germany, Hungary and Romania? Did the Greeks bother to define their Barbarians as Persians, Carthaginians, Etruscans or Celts? Are anti-Semites aware of the existence of Ashkenazi, Bukhari, Samaritan or Sephardi Jews? Is feminism or post-feminism any less Manichean?
It's not ideology that requires the simplification of the opponent - it is human nature that forces it. But you and I both know that the most effective leaders and movements are those that examine and understand the opponent. This is as true in a chess match as it is in the World Wars and in every element of human struggle that flourishes between.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
That's the Art of War!
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
That's the Art of War!