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Albie said:
When I mean tapes, I'm talking about LTO tapes. We use LTO4 and, by the sounds of it, this is what Wasted uses. We have to backup many, many terabytes of data each night and one LTO4 tape can back up 800Gb or, if compressed, 1.6TB so our whole backup solution is on only 5 tapes. Backing up to these is fast and recovery is fast. You'll probably find that most mid to large to massive corporations use LTO's.

Yes, external HDD's are cheap, but for what we need we will have to have banks of these disks. Not ideal. ;)

To back up to DVD's would mean we would have to write to, what, 7 or 800 discs each night - and it would take more than a day to run the daily backup routine. Again, not ideal. ;)

Or we could get a large SAN. But to get this to a DR site is just not practical (unless we have it at the DR site permanently and write to it each night).
You say 1 tape can back up 1.6TB. So, just get a bunch of 2TB HD's.
 
Travis_AKA_fonzbear2000 said:
You say 1 tape can back up 1.6TB. So, just get a bunch of 2TB HD's.

Well, assume that the general IT guy in charge knows as much as you and has done some thinking on the process.  First, when it comes to backups, having them done does no good in a catastrophic disaster, so its always best to have them stored off site.  Second, a tape is far more rugged than an external HD.  Third, I don't know the cost, but I bet having a tape is quite a bit less expensive than a 2TB HDD is.  Lastly, you need many of them.  You have to do back ups every day, so you have to, at least, have 3 sets of materials for good transfer:  the set that I am storing today, the set they are saving from yesterday, and the set that is being sent back from 3 days ago.  Basically, one set at the site, one set off site, and one set moving.  More is better.  Now, if a tape gets dropped, no big deal, because it still functions, but if a HDD gets dropped and its platter destroyed, then its back to the piggy bank.  Also, you can say "Make people be more careful" and, sure, you can, but why build in something that relies on no human error.  Also, the case can be made for SSD's, but they are more expensive, and from what I've read, they do have some degradation after so many copies have been made.  So, for the cost involved, the safety of the backed up material, and for the lowest factor of human error, tapes make a lot of sense.  They aren't, actually, such an out of date technology, they seem to still be making advances in tape storage. 

The electronic 'vault' HDD storage center we have is awesome.  It stores locally and off sight, it has 9 HDD's in it, 4 in use, 4 as backups, one spare, (IIRC)  its over 4TB for storage, and works pretty well.  However, to get something that is 'server grade' it wasn't cheap.  I have heard in the $10k range, but that could include the installation and support software that goes with it.  Cheap HDD's mean nothing if they crash and the data is lost.
 
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I actually loved that song along with MC Hammer's Can't Touch This even though I was 16 and VERY much into Maiden and metal. And C&C Music Factory's Everybody Dance Now. I sort of still enjoy those for nostalgia sake.
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Perun said:
I think anybody who has seen him live will agree with me that Udo Dirkschneider is a pig. He's a fat, sweaty, filthy piece of meat that probably has fluid coming out of every opening of his pressed body when singing. But Accept without him? He was Accept. Without him, they are just another metal band, probably just a piece of 80's nostalgia that is neither very unique nor very original, and certainly not very interesting. I'm not a very big fan of his voice, but I couldn't imagine Balls to the Walls, Dogs on Leads or any other Accept classic working without him. Those are greasy, sweaty, grubby metal songs that need a greasy, sweaty, grubby metal pig to deliver them.
 
*sigh* I'm going to have to buy a new computer. Because I can really afford that now.
 
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