I'm Starting from Powerslave

Mysterio

Invader
Hi everybody.  My buddy Mark bought me a ticket to Iron Maiden when they come to Winnipeg in June.  I have been listeing to thier music a little.  I downloaded Powerslave and have been listeing ot it ever since. 

I am a big fan of Music in general.  Esspecially the stuff I grew up with.  I really really like Powerslave.  Can anyone steer me into the other CD's as well. 

Also which DVD is the better to get Live after Death or Rock in Rio?

Another comment as well.  The imagery I keep gettign about Iron Maiden is that they sing about Wars and Battles.  Its great stuff to listen to and work out to.

Thanks again.

Mysterio
 
Ah, you have come to the right place!  There are many suggestions you will find on here-- check out the 'best of' forum!

IMO, I'd pick up the cd's in this order:

Piece of Mind
The Number of the Beast
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Dance of Death

Those are my favorites...

I love the Live After Death dvd.  Tho, I haven't seen the Rock In Rio dvd.
 
To get ready for the tour, listen to Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son as well as Powerslave. After that, just go mad getting everything they have....

Live After Death...

War and battles are a large theme in Iron Maiden music but they also do a lot of historical, literary and social issue songs as well, I think you will find them to be very well rounded in terms of content. They have been around since the 70's......
 
If you read this, it might infer a bit more about the setlist than you'd want to know.  Nothing very specific, though, but read at your own risk.  Applies for other people too.
The tour will focus on 80's material, so it depends on whether you want to get into Maiden especially in preparation for the concert (i.e. get to know the songs that they will play first).  If so, I'd recommend only getting the 80s material.  I'd recommend as the order Piece of Mind, The Number of the Beast, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Somewhere in Time, Iron Maiden, Killers.  You can leave out the last two if you want, as they don't have Bruce Dickinson as singer, and I doubt the band will play any songs besides Iron Maiden from them.

If you instead want to get into Maiden without any concern for the concert, I'd recommend a good mix of old and new.  In this case, I'd suggest the order:
A Matter of Life and Death
The Number of the Beast
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
The X Factor (with Blaze Bailey on vocals, but a brilliant album)
Brave New World
Piece of Mind
Somewhere in Time
Dance of Death
Iron Maiden (Paul Di'Anno on vocals)
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No Prayer for the Dying
Virtual XI (Blaze)
Killers (Di'Anno)
Fear of the Dark

I wouldn't suggest getting the last four unless you become a serious Maiden fan.

If you're getting a DVD, I'd suggest Rock in Rio; the set list is longer and the video quality is better.  Live After Death is shorter, but it has much more extra material (such as a 1-hour documentary) if you're into that.  If you're getting either one as a CD, then I'd suggest Live After Death first.  There the length is not an issue, and it is simply the best live album ever made.  However, I'd suggest you get both since both are completely essential albums for a Maiden fan.

And as far as wars go, Maiden have much more of an anti-war theme, especially post-80s.  Sure, they have songs such as The Trooper, Aces High, etc. but really Maiden have a lot more anti-war songs.
 
I think Live After Death is by far the better DVD - but then again, what did you expect me to say? Of course the guy with the Live After Death avatar would say that...

Actually, the 2 DVDs have entirely different purposes:

Live After Death is all about Maiden's "Golden Age". The first peak of their powers, which the current tour is intended to memorialize and celebrate. If you want to know what made Maiden so great back in the 80s - and thus why the long-time fans like me have stuck around - then get LAD.

Rock In Rio was a current document at the time it was released; it's all about what Maiden is today. One reason you may want to consider it: the band you see in June will be much like the one from Rock In Rio. Bruce will have short hair, and Janick will be dancing around shamelessly. It's a more accurate preview of what the Winnipeg show will be like, if that matters to you.


As for albums:

You've tried Powerslave, which almost all fans would agree is among the best of their early albums. So I would recommend either Brave New World or A Matter Of Life And Death for your next one, to sample their current style. There are naturally many similarities, but also some considerable differences. If you like Powerslave better, then get the early albums (Number Of The Beast through Seventh Son). If you like the late stuff, get both the CDs I mentioned above plus The X Factor, Virtual XI and Dance Of Death.
 
Welcome and hope you enjoy the show.  For someone who is relatively new to the band, and to give context for the concert you're about to see, I'd recommend picking up the Live After Death DVD.  Rock in Rio is excellent, too, but get LAD first.  Of course, you can probably sample some or all of each DVD on YouTube and see which you prefer.

Re albums: There are polls in the Best Of forum that list people's favorite albums, and you will no doubt get different answers based on people's individual preferences.  (For example, some people love The X Factor, but I don't really like it that much.  Others pooh-pooh Killers, but I love it.)  I think it is relatively safe to say that most fans would generally agree that the "canon" consists of three, maybe four, albums: Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.  Those aren't necessarily everyone's favorites, or even mine -- for example, you will find a number of posts on this forum arguing that Number of the Beast is overrated.  However, Beast was the album that propelled the band to international fame, and it was the next two, Piece of Mind and Powerslave, that made Iron Maiden truly legendary.  Seventh Son is a concept album, and a little more experimental, though many regard it as the band's masterpiece.  All the other albums listed by Invader and SMX are pretty good (well, except No Prayer for the Dying), but you absolutely cannot go wrong with these four biggies.  If you're interested in hearing the band's newer stuff, try A Matter of Life and Death, its most recent studio album -- the band was so proud of it that it performed the entire album in sequence on its 2006-07 tour. 
 
Invader said:
No Prayer for the Dying
Virtual XI (Blaze)
Killers (Di'Anno)
Fear of the Dark

I wouldn't suggest getting the last four unless you become a serious Maiden fan.

Hang on now. Both Virtual XI and Killers are great albums. Maybe not up there with classics like Powerslave, but definitely worth getting.
Fear Of The Dark is inconsistent with a lot of filler - but when it gets good (e.g. the title track or "Afraid To Shoot Strangers"), it gets really good.
NPFTD? Yeah, Invader's right, leave that for last, and only if you must have the complete collection.

Invader said:
And as far as wars go, Maiden have much more of an anti-war theme, especially post-80s.  Sure, they have songs such as The Trooper, Aces High, etc. but really Maiden have a lot more anti-war songs.

I wouldn't say either "The Trooper" or "Aces High" are pro-war. They're more like accurate descriptions of what soldiers feel in battle. In fact, if Maiden has any pro-war song, it would be "These Colours Don't Run" from their most recent album. But it's true that many of their recent war songs give off an anti-war vibe, like Paschenda - excuse me, I mean PASCHENFUCKINGDALE, AMEN BROTHER!
 
I am gettign previews from you tube right now.  The reason I asked this question is because when I went to Judas Priest a couple of years ago, I was lost.  With the exception of a couple of songs.  Most notebley You got another thing comming.  It was really good. 

I think that # of the Beast and Piece of mind and 7 son of a 7 son.

Incidentaly the first song I liked was Tailgunner.  I am more of a Led Zeppelin fan that is my favorite.  For those of you that like Zep and want a little IM feel to some of thier songs.  Check out Achillies last Stand and Immigrant Song.

Anyone want to know anything about Led Zeppelin let me know. 

Mysterio
 
As you can see, people's opinions differ.  However, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who dislikes Piece of Mind or Seventh Son, and it is impossible to dispute that Number of the Beast is Iron Maiden's most historically significant and influential album. 

If you're simply trying to get familiar with the songs you'll hear at the concert,

about 75% of the songs will overlap with Live After Death.  There will be a couple each from Seventh Son and Somewhere in Time.  That will cover all but one of the songs on the setlist. 
 
SinisterMinisterX said:
Hang on now. Both Virtual XI and Killers are great albums. Maybe not up there with classics like Powerslave, but definitely worth getting.
Fear Of The Dark is inconsistent with a lot of filler - but when it gets good (e.g. the title track or "Afraid To Shoot Strangers"), it gets really good.
NPFTD? Yeah, Invader's right, leave that for last, and only if you must have the complete collection.

I wouldn't say either "The Trooper" or "Aces High" are pro-war. They're more like accurate descriptions of what soldiers feel in battle. In fact, if Maiden has any pro-war song, it would be "These Colours Don't Run" from their most recent album. But it's true that many of their recent war songs give off an anti-war vibe, like Paschenda - excuse me, I mean PASCHENFUCKINGDALE, AMEN BROTHER!

Funny, because I would say No Prayer is better than Virtual XI, Killers, and Fear of the Dark.  It's grown on me, I guess (and it doesn't have The Angel and the Infinitely Repeating Chorus).  But I agree about Fear of the Dark.

And I've always interpreted These Colours Don't Run as more anti-patriotic and anti-war.  E.g.
"For the passion, for the glory, for the memories, for the money
You're a soldier, for your country what's the difference, all the same "
or
"Paying for my freedom with your lonely unmarked graves," which I've always thought of as intended irony.  But I guess you can interpret it both ways. :)
 
Invader said:
And I've always interpreted These Colours Don't Run as more anti-patriotic and anti-war.  E.g.
"For the passion, for the glory, for the memories, for the money
You're a soldier, for your country what's the difference, all the same "
or
"Paying for my freedom with your lonely unmarked graves," which I've always thought of as intended irony.  But I guess you can interpret it both ways. :)
Funny, I've always interpreted it as patriotic and anti-war.
The last line you quote I don't read irony, but a tribute to soldiers. Pro-soldiers, anti-war: not mutually exlusive in my opinion.
 
national acrobat said:
Funny, I've always interpreted it as patriotic and anti-war.
The last line you quote I don't read irony, but a tribute to soldiers. Pro-soldiers, anti-war: not mutually exlusive in my opinion.

I've always interpreted it as pissing on propaganda that the war in Iraq is "protecting the western countries' (or just America's) freedom", and that the rewards for these soldiers who die for their country are only "lonely unmarked graves."  Perhaps irony was the wrong word, though.

Pro-soldiers, anti-war; I've never thought of it from that point of view too much, but it does make sense.  I still think it's anti-patriotic, though.  Basically, it doesn't matter whether you die for your country or something else in war, but you still die.  "what's the difference, all the same."  This might be very much of a cultural interpretation, though; if your country is at war, you might feel very differently about the song.
 
On the contrary to other people, i would grab Somewhere In Time from the nearest CD shop. Instantly. Right now.

I guess it all depends on our subjective opinion. That's why you need to check out the best-of topics and the overall commentary, if you're into a rather big research.

But as far as my interpretation of the general opinion goes, you should really get the classic line-up albums, that's Piece Of Mind, Powerslave, Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son, plus The Number Of The Beast. Afterwards, you can go in two directions - check out the very beginnings, Iron Maiden and Killers, or the newest, recent period, Brave New World, Dance Of Death and A Matter Of Life And Death. All in all, i would leave '90s stuff on the end...it is generally considered as Maiden's weakest years, altrough once you become a standard Maiden fan, you'll find that stuff better than 90% of everything else you'll bump into from other bands.

As you are preparing for the show, check out the spoilered setlists in SBIT tour topics here.

Regarding These Color's Don't Run, i have this interpretation : it's an anti-war song, and it might not be anti-patriotic, but it's surely not patriotic either. For me, it seems to be a bit inspired from recent American "freedom wars" and all the issues going around that topic, thus anti-propaganda, but the line "for the passion, for the glory, for the memories, for the money..." speaks about if you went to war, no matter your reasons, it's kill or be killed. Pure reality. We sail away like our fathers before, and these colors don't run, because the running won't save your ass in the war, killing your enemies will save you.

So for me, it's an anti-war, anti-propaganda song speaking about the reality of the soldier on the battlefield.
 
Invader said:
I've always interpreted it as pissing on propaganda that the war in Iraq is "protecting the western countries' (or just America's) freedom", and that the rewards for these soldiers who die for their country are only "lonely unmarked graves."  Perhaps irony was the wrong word, though.

Pro-soldiers, anti-war; I've never thought of it from that point of view too much, but it does make sense.  I still think it's anti-patriotic, though.  Basically, it doesn't matter whether you die for your country or something else in war, but you still die.  "what's the difference, all the same."  This might be very much of a cultural interpretation, though; if your country is at war, you might feel very differently about the song.

Sorry, mate.  "These Colours Don't Run" is a tribute, not a mocking.  I'm not saying that Iron Maiden et al. approve of the current War in Iraq (listening to "Afraid To Shoot Strangers" should tell you they weren't fans of the last one, either).  The line, "What's the difference, all the same" is a clouded reference to the concept of being "brothers in arms".

The lyrics were written by Bruce, remember, and Bruce's degree is in history - the more and more I look back on the song, the more I think it's a reference to the Tommies of World War II, or at least mostly inspired therein.  The specific combat references in the song are rather explicit: "red light, green light, so you go to war" is a very clear reference to paratroopers; "on the shores of tyranny we crashed a human wave" refers to an amphibious assault, or many amphibious assaults, not something the West has done since Inchon in Korea; "there's no one that can save you, going down in flames" either refers to an unlucky fighter pilot, or, a Dakota shot down, burning its crew and carried compliment as it plummets to earth.  Admittedly, the last is open to any war from WW1 onwards, but the other two are extremely specific.

Then there's the chorus: "Far away from the land of our birth, we fly a flag in some foreign earth," - UK troops were deployed in Western Europe and South-East Asia; Africa and the Middle East, Australia and Greece.  "We sail away like our fathers before," a generational reference.  Since the UK didn't participate in the wars of the 1970s, that can't be a reference to the current crop of soldiers deployed in Afghanistan or Iraq.  But it is most likely a reference to the 20 year old men of WW2, who's fathers had fought in 1914-18.  Then, "These colours don't run, from cold bloody war!"  Let me see what I can find that has the exact same tone as that....

"Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their Finest Hour.'"

"This is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

"We shall not flag or fail.  We shall fight in France.  We shall fight on the seas and oceans.  We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air.  We shall defend our islands, whatever the cost may be.  We shall fight on the beaches.  We shall fight on the landing grounds.  We shall fight in the fields and in the streets.  We shall fight in the hills - we shall never surrender!"
 
Interesting analysis, LC. And of course, when you want to make a point, there's always the possibility of quoting Sir Winston  :D
 
Interesting analysis, LC. And of course, when you want to make a point, there's always the possibility of quoting Sir Winston 

I think it is dead on. That has always been my interpretation of the song as well. Just the line "We sail away like our fathers before" gave me that indication before I even learned the rest of the lyrics.
 
Interesting and I have to agree.  I never viewed the song from a historical point of view, though; I always thought it was a reference to the wars of today.
 
I disagree, Loosey. These Colours Don't Run may be inspired by historical images, but I don't take it to be a strictly historical song.
 
You wouldn't.  :bigsmile:

I think the images refer to a certain area, for sure.  Because, who knows, Bruce might have watched a movie the day before he wrote the lyrics.  The tone of the song is definitely not satiric or anti-war.  I don't think it's pro war.  I think it's saying, "This is how it's been."
 
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