How good are Iron Maiden (individually)?
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Robbiedbee
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@ Twarkle
I cannot, hand on heart, tell you that my post was without a little bias or sentiment, you've rumbled me. I really do have a hard time thinking of someone who can play at Dave's speed with that sort of fluidity and feeling though. The ones that come close for me would be Satriani or Bonamassa, but in my opinion, those sorts of guys are too clinical and sterile, whereas Dave's playing has an honesty and a character to it.
I cannot, hand on heart, tell you that my post was without a little bias or sentiment, you've rumbled me. I really do have a hard time thinking of someone who can play at Dave's speed with that sort of fluidity and feeling though. The ones that come close for me would be Satriani or Bonamassa, but in my opinion, those sorts of guys are too clinical and sterile, whereas Dave's playing has an honesty and a character to it.
Twarkle
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Robbiedbee said:
I hope you don't think I came off as incendiary or trying to belittle your love of Dave, I wasn't trying to upset you. I would say go check out Guthrie Govan, Shawn Lane, Andy Timmons, and Allan Holdsworth for guys who have that magic combo. I think Vai has it too when he wants to. Another guy who has it, but often gets wrongly lumped in with the emotion-less shredders is John Petrucci. If you listen to the scope of his work with DT and his solo album the guy has a ton of feel and can construct beautiful melodies, but he happens to also love "going for it" a lot also. He also has the combo of scary picking hand and super smooth and fast legato as well as nice use of complex chord structure. There are some up and coming players like Andy Wood who seem to have that ability as well. I'm wide open to lots of styles, and like I said I love Dave Murray's playing.
Robbiedbee
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Twarkle said:
No no, no offense taken at all. I just had to smile when you pointed out that there may be a little bias to my reasoning, because there blatantly is. I am slowly making my way through the DT discography. I am very familiar with Black Clouds... and Systematic Chaos. I do have Petrucci's solo album on my iPod, but I only really listen to Glasgow Kiss, to be honest. Petrucci is very good at making the very fast passages that aren't solos relevent to the framework of the song he's playing.
Twarkle
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Robbiedbee said:
Definitely check out Guthrie Govan's Erotic Cakes album. Or start by checking out some of his stuff on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yPEewaalik he may be from another planet.
On Black Clouds & Silver Linings I love JP's intro and outro solo's on The Count Of Tuscany, great example of his melodic work, and great tone too. Though I'm a bit biased as a DT and JP freak. I think Awake and Metropolis Pt2: Scenes From A Memory contain some of his best work. Images and Words is amazing too, but he matures so much through the years. Also for pure over the top silliness check out the Liquid Tension Experiment material. It's intentionally self indulgent but still amazing, and he just tears it up.
Jeffmetal
Ancient Mariner
Check this out! It gives me the chills - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9zp4al0eUo&NR=1
Twarkle
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Jeffmetal said:
I saw Bruce and Alex do that acoustically, along with 4 other acoustic songs from Balls To Picasso at a Hard Rock Cafe in Boston in 1994 as part of the promotion for the album. Bruce was really nice and signed a bunch of stuff for me afterwards. My friend took a few of pictures of Bruce and I. When I went to the photo store to pick up the pics they told me the camera had been loaded wrong and all the photos were ruined. I've never been someone who cared too much about meeting my hero's, but that was a truly heartbreaking moment. I was bummed for weeks. My friend who loaded the camera wrong thought I was going to kill him, but I was too bummed to care about laying blame.
Also of note, there was a youth soccer team visiting from Brazil at the Hard Rock that night. Bruce was flying himself and Alex to Boston, but hit bad weather and the performance was delayed by an hour or so. So the Brazilian kids had a plane home they had to catch, but because Bruce was late they were going to miss him. The adults with them were trying to force them to leave, so they tried to lock themselves in the bathroom until Bruce arrived. I never found out how that ended up getting resolved.
I have a friend who gets to go backstage all the time, but I guess Bruce never hangs out after shows. Oh well, I have some cool personalized things, still would have liked to have those photos though. I did get to say thanks for the inspiration and the music.
Ranko
I'll shoot the gunner first!
Twarkle said:
Absolutely! Before I got into DT, I also thought he was an emotionless by-the-numbers kind of player, but the truth is far from that. Maybe the best example would be the outro solo from In The Name of God (live version), check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knYeGFIXVcI . The Live at Budokan version is even better.
BTW, someone mentioned Carlos Santana being a great guitarist. Please. That guy couldn't play guitar to save his life. Just listen at his sound, his licks and his solos - they're ALWAYS the same, identical! I can spot Santana in a song I have never heard before because of his "blunt" (or "dull") guitar sound and his way of playing.
Twarkle
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Ranko said:
The live 3 disc set, Live Scenes From New York has some amazing JP work if you don't have that yet buy it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cECmfwdAX7A
Another thing with JP is, he isn't just playing fast 3 note per string patterns up and down scales. His fast stuff is often intricate and very difficult. And he knows how to use speed to build tension and compliment the rest of his solo. On top of that he plays effortlessly through key and modal changes. And he is always flawless live.
lightintheblack
Invader
My tuppence worth for what its worth is that Bruce is among the top 10 Metal/Hard Rock singers of all time though i dont think hes quite up there with Ian Gillan(in the 70s),David Coverdale(pre hairband Whitesnake) or Ronnie James Dio but i would rate him along with Rob Halford as just behind those 3 legends.As far as Guitarists are concerned then Dave and Adrian are brilliant but not at the level of say a Blackmore,Page,Lifeson or Knopfler Janick on the other hand is not quite at the level of his two bandmates but still a fine banjo player despite the obvious Blackmore cloning and he does come up with some fine material.Steve is quite simply a genius great bass player one of the best ever in rock and a great songwriter and Nicko is one of the finest rock drummers around all in all this leaves Maiden as the finest live classic rock band performing today IMHO
Cap Maronis
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Babo 91 said:
Say whaaaaaat?
I hate to break the Maiden discussion, but Babo needs to do himself a favor and check out Rush, as Alex Lifeson as well as Geddy Lee and Neil Peart all kick tremendous amounts of ass. I'm not sure if the Dire Straits would be your thing, but they're worth a listen also.
Cap Maronis
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2112.Babo 91 said:
Cap Maronis
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He's a Maiden fan, I want to give him something to chew on! We can handle the more complicated material. 
