GREATEST METAL ALBUM CUP - Winner: Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son!

Let me say this in the nicest way possible: Killers can go fuck itself, it is the worst Maiden album and only half of it is of any merit returning to outside of discography listens. The production makes it sound like a sleazefest, Di'Anno seems to enjoy warbling for half of it, it is compiled of leftover tracks from the first record that were quite obviously left off then for good reason and should have been left off here. It is the definition of both sophomore slump and being overrated just because it was one of the band's first albums.

Killers has one of the most "in-your-face-productions" of all Maiden albums. It is a very clear and strong production in such a manner that all instrumentalists can be heard very well, and pretty up close. The rawness, the energy is recorded and preserved so well. One of Martin Birch's best jobs!

So Killers is Maiden's album on which the combination of rawness, aggression and still eager energy and hunger can be heard best.
That energy, the speed of some of these songs, and of course the bass and guitar lines, these were THE ingredients that made Maiden so special in that time. This album kicked everyone's ass. And still in this time this is acknowledged. This is a landmark album resulting in the first world tour, hitting Japan, USA and Canada for the first time. Maiden also went to Yugoslavia and were considered as top act in the metal genre.

When I heard Killers for the first time, I only knew two other Maiden studio albums: the debut album and Seventh Son. Naturally, because of that I was a bit disappointment after I heard the complete Killers album. Most tracks were not so melodic as most other music that I appreciated. Still I like side B very much. My favourite Killers-moments are "Purgatory" (great combo of speed and melody), the instrumental mid-piece in "Prodigal Son" (the only song never played live, at least not since its release) with its spineshivering solos, "Wrathchild", the cool harmonies of "Murders In The Rue Morgue", the aggressive mid-part in "Another Life".

Surprisingly, my favourite track is "Genghis Khan". The way this song changes into the groovy end, with the great melody played by Dave on the left side and the melodic harmonies makes it one of the coolest Maiden parts ever! Though this commentary seems very positive, I still like it less than the debut which made a better overall impression. So:
-Aggression
-In Your Face
-Best production for Clive's drums
-One of the best productions from the whole catalogue

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01. Genghis Khan 10/10
Signature Maiden. Sublime instrumental with an outstanding last one and a half minute. That bass line, those different riffs by Dave and Adrian and on top of that that cool lead by Adrian. This groove sounds like a preview of Hallowed Be Thy Name (just some left overs Diesel? Hallowed was fucking born out of this beauty, next to some "borrowing" from another band). Clive is really shining on this. Probably my favourite ending of all Maiden songs, and by far my favourite song from Killers.

Steve Harris in the interview with John Stix, made in 1983
Interviewer John Stix: "Genghis Khan is the second instrumental on Killers. The sharp break in the B section is like shifting gears without a clutch."
Steve: "That freaked out our producer as well. It was sort of a change at right angles. We really liked that element of surprise. This was another song where there could have been a vocal melody on top, but it felt good as an instrumental. A vocal would have cluttered it up. Originally it was written to depict the feeling and sound of Genghis Khan's army going to battle".
John Stix: "There are no solos"
Steve: "It wasn't a conscious thing, but it worked out that way. It felt better not to have any guitar solos on this track."


02. The Man of Sorrows 10/10
Of course, Empire shows the band has guts because of its length, and important piano role, but The Man of Sorrows is certainly trying to hit new ground as well. Even for Maiden standards this song has some unusual changes. Also chord changes. It starts calm as Tears of a Clown and when it gets heavier, the music in a verse (if it is a verse) suddenly modulates to a lower(!) tone, a bit of a threatening twist, going to darker atmosphere. The song has, as its predecessor and its follow-up, lots of sensitive playing, lots of feel, especially at the end in which the individual guitarists can be heard so distinctly. Also in the end, Nicko plays some subtle stuff, in a more loose, almost jazzy/soul/proggy kind of style, e.g. alternating his hi-hat speed to double time.

It can be said this song is a collage of several different things but I think it works excellent. Absolutely for me a highlight of the album, because it proves that Maiden dares to hit new ground. By the way, if someone noticed that I haven't talked about Bruce's singing for a while.... don't fear! It means he's great since the title track, non-stop.
Unusual solo order as well: D / D / A / J / D

This song has a great change in mood, fitting the lyrics. I love it when Maiden tries new things. Makes them less predictable. The whole song is a pearl on the album. Such beautiful, sensible playing. Haunting solos. Dave Murray is the man. His leads are so emotional.

For instance, it might symbolize a long, fruitless and impatient search for something ("Now we need to know the truth now"), even an obsession, with everything else put on hold ("So we live and breathe again"), therefore a monotonous single chord rhythm part whose duration is 12 measures, so it sounds longer than what you would expect (8), but is cut short from being a double verse by an unexpected downward key change and some sinister synth, which enforces the lyrics - they started to go astray ("As one turns against the other, With a brother against brother")
:notworthy:

03. Purgatory 10/10
A very energetic and fast song (one of the fastest in the catalogue).
There's a lot going on here with the guitars and bass. On top of the both menacing and precise(!) drums we hear Steve play like his life depends on it. Dave and Adrian do different things on rhythm guitar, something which really unfolded on the Powerslave album (and we can also hear it on Die With Your Boots On).

The bridge sums it all up. It is the best part of the song where everyone is laying down their works neatly. Paul is excellent, singing a perfect melody on top of it. And did you guys notice that awesome echo of Dave's solo, which still continues when the harmony kicks in? Great choice by Birch (I guess).

04. Killers 9/10
This is one of Maiden's hardest rocking songs, with an awesome midpart. In fact, I like the part where Steve does backing vocals the best. Very hard hitting riffs, bass and drums. This is an iconic song, and a great summary of the strengths of our beloved band.

05. Empire of the Clouds 9/10
06. Tears of a Clown 9/10
07. Death or Glory 9/10
08. If Eternity Should Fail 9/10
09. The Book of Souls 9/10
10. Twilight Zone 8/10

11. Prodigal Son 8/10

Next to the special atmosphere, the solos are so beautiful. Adrian puts a lot of care and feeling in his solo, and Dave takes over with his crystal clear sound. These solos sound so different from the others on Killers, that I wonder if they were recorded on a separate session, together with Adrian's melody lead on Genghis Khan.

12. The Ides of March 8/10
13. Shadows of the Valley 8/10
14. Wrathchild 8/10
15. Murders in the Rue Morgue 7/10
16. Another Life 7/10
17. Innocent Exile 7/10

18. Speed of Light 7/10
19. The Great Unknown 7/10
20. Drifter 6/10

21. When the River Runs Deep 5/10
Cringing vocals in the beginning. Can't believe what Bruce wants to prove here. Yes, Bruce you can still sing high but here you're doing not much else than fucking up vocal chords. Compared to this, the chorus in Mother of Mercy is a blessing.

That opening and ending guitar "melody" is probably the most messy thing Adrian has ever recorded.
By the way, I clearly hear non-Bruce backing vocals in the first couplets. Could be H, but if it's Steve I believe that as well.
Adrian's solo sounds so thin (compressed?) as if it was squeezed out in a dim toilet.

This is certainly either one of the worst songs for me, from this album. And it also sits very low in the entire catalogue.
I find the vocals hard to bear and the chorus monotone: its weakness comes across after a few repetitions. In the last rounds, Nicko's loud slamming on his ride cymbal does not sit well (irritatingly dominant). I am not particularly fond of Dave's solo.
The instrumental part reminds me of Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger, including Muppet drums (even worse). Overall not the most imaginative song they've done (understatement).

22. The Red and the Black 4/10
People who love this song say there are so many melodies. Well, here's my answer: I also like melodies, but when they are done over lengthy frameworks (chord schemes) taking one and a half minute before it changes, it's getting too long. A different melody, solo or lyric on top sounds a bit different on the surface, but I just feel that in reality, it does not. The melodies are also simple, and a bit lengthy. It does not sound exciting.

We have this one and a half minute (more even) 6.29 - 7.14 which reminds me a lot of When the Wild Wind Blows. It has the same chord progression.

Then there is the stuff before it:
4.58 - 6.29
And after it:
7.49 - 9.09

Even though the first contains some "The Red and the Blaaaaack" lyrics, and other parts have melodies or solos, it's still all over the same chord scheme. This is, I believe, what makes the song tedious, monotone and repetitive. In total we have around four and a half minutes of samish music, which eventually becomes one big drag.

So, I find it good until 4.58. And I like some parts from 9.09 til the end. But the 4.58 - 9.09 part: the least diverse section in the history of Iron Maiden, kills it. The problem is that it even has impact on what comes after it. There's good stuff coming after 9.09, but the interest has gone down, the patience has ended. And I even get another thought of "Another part? When does it ever end?"
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Everything considered...
Killers does not have such low lows as The Book of Souls has. It does have awesome highlights and the flow and sound of this record "kills".
The bright solos, the aggressive riffing and such well played drums... the album does not kill the listening pleasure.
An often heard argument is at its place here: Killers is the more consistent album. Without a single WTF are they doing this for moment.
 
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Let me ask you something, I've been reading a lot in the newspapers and the magazines about the first Rage Against the Machine album, and I was reading one article in particular about an organisation, you might have heard of them before, called the G.M.A.C., and I read that they said that they think So Far So Good... So What is a better album than the first Rage Against the Machine album.

Now this is coming from an organisation called "Maidenfans", now I don't know about you, but to me that sounds like some sort of goddamn bunch of internet nerds if you ask me. Well this is for that whole bunch because they can suck me, suck me, eat me raw!
"this is softer slower"? :P
 
@MindRuler a few weeks ago, in the album rankings topic you said you prefer Killers over The Book of Souls!
I seriously think you forgot that moment when you really, carefully thought well of this. Capital mistake.
 
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Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Judas Priest - Hell Bent for Leather
Iron Maiden - Killers
Iron Maiden - Somewhere in Time
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I voted for Piece of Mind album because to me is a better and classic album with a better production than The Number of the Beast and the sound is amazing. It has a bunch of classic songs, maybe 2 fillers like Quest for Fire and Sun and steel but instrumentally are awesome. The classic line up starts there.
I love A matter of Life and death and it's the best reunion album since 2000 but it cannot fight against the ones from the golden years.

I voted for Priest Hell bent for leather because it's one of my favorite albums by the band along with Stained Class and Sin after Sin. The sound is amazing and the songs are awesome, Green Manalishi, Running Wild, Delivering the Goods, Hell bent for leather, Before the dawn, Take on the world, Rock forever, Evening Star and the cover album is glorious.
I've never was a fan of Pantera's music and their attitude. I have to say that I always hated Anselmo attitude and his voice. He's completely irrelevant for this kind of music and I don't know why he's always on the Blabbermouth news so I've said it all about this band.

I voted for Killers, it's one of my favorite albums for several reasons. it's the first album with Adrian and Martin Birch, it has a lot of classic songs to me, instrumentally is amazing and you can feel the raw of Paul there singing. I love it from beginning to the end, I love Ides of March, Wrathchild, Murders, Another Life, Genghis Khan, Innocent Exile, Killers, Prodigal son, Purgatory and Drifter (I would include Twilight Zone). Killers album was the end of an amazing era from 1975 writing, performing and recording all these songs. I love both worlds. About The book of souls has great songs like If eternity should fail, speed of light, The red and the black and The Book of souls but the rest of it are fillers songs. About Empire of the clouds is good but not an epic song for me. I don't like the production and the sound of it either.

What can I say about Somewhere in Time? It's my second favorite album of Maiden. From the album cover to the whole music, amazing guitar harmonies, guitar solos, the rhythm section of Steve and Nicko and the amazing vocals of Bruce, the fantastic compositions of the songs and the atmosphere of the sound taken from Martin Birch who brings you to a futuristic world with all the synths. I would like that the band would have recorded Walking on Glass on the record.

About Iced Earth is not my cup of tea as I said in a couple of times. Sorry
 
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Sorry, people - I forgot to vote (for RATM) last round.
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@MindRuler a few weeks ago, in the album rankings topic you said you prefer Killers over The Book of Souls!
Your memory is amazing, I´m impressed.
Album vs Album might have some other results than a ranking and it depends on my mood too, plus the AMOLAD listening session which favours the reunion albums (minus DOD) but those are excuses I know. ;-)
 
Well thanks but to be honest, I looked through that topic.

An album ranking is album vs album, isn't it? In both cases you write down which you prefer over the other.
plus the AMOLAD listening session which favours the reunion albums (minus DOD)
I don't understand this. What session? This is Killers vs The Book of Souls. Did you do a listening session for both albums?
 
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Well thanks but to be honest, I looked through that topic.

An album ranking is album vs album, isn't it? In both cases you write down which you prefer over the other.

I don't understand this. This is Killers vs The Book of Souls. Did you do a listening session for both albums?
Maybe I should use a different rating system for the ranking. More deeper but to be honest I don´t have the time for it right now. Or maybe I should just stop voting to avoid further discussions.
 
I voted for Piece of Mind (...) I love A matter of Life and death and it's the best reunion album since 2000 but it cannot fight against the ones from the golden years.
I voted for Killers, it's one of my favorite albums (...) it's the first album with Adrian and Martin Birch, it has a lot of classic songs to me, instrumentally is amazing and you can feel the raw of Paul there singing. (...) Killers album was the end of an amazing era from 1975 writing, performing and recording all these songs. I love both worlds.
What can I say about Somewhere in Time? It's my second favorite album of Maiden. From the album cover to the whole music, amazing guitar harmonies, guitar solos, the rhythm section of Steve and Nicko and the amazing vocals of Bruce, the fantastic compositions of the songs and the atmosphere of the sound taken from Martin Birch who brings you to a futuristic world with all the synths.
^
So many wise words. :ok:
 
I'm really curious to see which albums pull it out here. Will the Play Classics crowd orchestrate two comebacks? These are some marquee matches.
 
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