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https://www.reddit.com/live/x99pqdwudg0l Live feed on the attack.

I lack the nuance to talk in detail about the attack at the moment given my current state, so I'll hold for now. But I will say this is becoming a ubiquitous problem for the French population, which honestly is absolutely tragic for a first world country.
 
With every attack, in my country or elsewhere, the anger in me builds up. I've started having dreams about it. I've been a peaceful person in my life. Hell I've never been in a fight in my life. But the anger man. The anger. I want to see these sewer rats destroyed for they want to destroy my peacefulness. The peacefulness of the sane population of the earth. I want to step on them with my shoes like I'd step on a cockroach.

Do something. Recognize the enemy and do something. It's easy to recognize ISIS as the enemy. But they're not by themselves. Recognize those in power who help these sewer rats. That's all I have to say.
 
The Flash said:
With every attack, in my country or elsewhere, the anger in me builds up. I've started having dreams about it. I've been a peaceful person in my life. Hell I've never been in a fight in my life. But the anger man. The anger. I want to see these sewer rats destroyed for they want to destroy my peacefulness. The peacefulness of the sane population of the earth. I want to step on them with my shoes like I'd step on a cockroach.

Do something. Recognize the enemy and do something. It's easy to recognize ISIS as the enemy. But they're not by themselves. Recognize those in power who help these sewer rats. That's all I have to say.
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Boom..damn!

 
The Flash said:
With every attack, in my country or elsewhere, the anger in me builds up. I've started having dreams about it. I've been a peaceful person in my life. Hell I've never been in a fight in my life. But the anger man. The anger. I want to see these sewer rats destroyed for they want to destroy my peacefulness. The peacefulness of the sane population of the earth. I want to step on them with my shoes like I'd step on a cockroach.

Do something. Recognize the enemy and do something. It's easy to recognize ISIS as the enemy. But they're not by themselves. Recognize those in power who help these sewer rats. That's all I have to say.
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We all get these feelings, brother. But you're playing by their rules, playing their game if you stoop to that level. We need to puncture as many holes in their logic as we can together man. Maybe then, we can convince them that what they're doing is wrong. For there is no such thing as good and evil with regards to real-life human beings.
 
RTC said:
We all get these feelings, brother. But you're playing by their rules, playing their game if you stoop to that level. We need to puncture as many holes in their logic as we can together man. Maybe then, we can convince them that what they're doing is wrong. For there is no such thing as good and evil with regards to real-life human beings.
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Do not agree.
If you hear that someone supports these attacks, given adequate situation, you should try to break their jaw. Minimum.
 
The Flash said:
With every attack, in my country or elsewhere, the anger in me builds up. I've started having dreams about it. I've been a peaceful person in my life. Hell I've never been in a fight in my life. But the anger man. The anger. I want to see these sewer rats destroyed for they want to destroy my peacefulness. The peacefulness of the sane population of the earth. I want to step on them with my shoes like I'd step on a cockroach.
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I get what you mean and I understand. The frustration, the fear, the anger... Yet you can't do that. You'll fuck your life up with the anger built inside you and they won't even care. They won't even know.
 
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Zare said:
Do not agree.
If you hear that someone supports these attacks, given adequate situation, you should try to break their jaw. Minimum.
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I disagree. That doesn't solve the problem, that makes them think you are the problem, and not them.
 
If the reports of the man's identity are correct, it's a continuation of a significant pattern. There's clearly a pool of Europeans who are at odds with everyone else and are susceptible to attaching themselves to movements like ISIS. They're not first generation immigrants, they're people who were born and grew up in Europe, some are very much part of Western culture initially, and yet they come to hate those around them. ISIS, like Al-Qaeda, provides a convenient flag to rally to, and might actively seek out people like that. But it's giving ISIS too much credit to suggest it's all their brainwashing handiwork. There are clearly people who grow to hate society around them, for a number of reasons, that can't simply be explained by the general distribution of psychos in the population. You can destroy ISIS and they'll find another flag to rally to.
 
Brigantium said:
If the reports of the man's identity are correct, it's a continuation of a significant pattern. There's clearly a pool of Europeans who are at odds with everyone else and are susceptible to attaching themselves to movements like ISIS. They're not first generation immigrants, they're people who were born and grew up in Europe, some are very much part of Western culture initially, and yet they come to hate those around them. ISIS, like Al-Qaeda, provides a convenient flag to rally to, and might actively seek out people like that. But it's giving ISIS too much credit to suggest it's all their brainwashing handiwork. There are clearly people who grow to hate society around them, for a number of reasons, that can't simply be explained by the general distribution of psychos in the population. You can destroy ISIS and they'll find another flag to rally to.
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I feel a major recruitment tool with regards to Western Muslims is a practice that Stoicism covers beautifully. They feel bored, unchallenged and seeking something new in their middle-class life. Instead of appreciating what they have around them already, they feel that joining ISIS would be an exhilirating experience. Of course, once they join, and they realise how much better off they were back home, any attempt to desert would result in execution.
 
If you think that a French Maghrebin Muslim who would join ISIL lives a boring, unchallenging middle class life, you might want to take a better look at what the Parisian banlieu is like.
 
I've been in downtrodden areas of a handful of French towns and cities, and it's grim. Entire areas of the town in poverty or relative poverty, and ethnic minorities are strikingly over-represented in these areas. You get a little bit of that in the UK, but what I saw in France was on a completely different scale.
 
Perun said:
If you think that a French Maghrebin Muslim who would join ISIL lives a boring, unchallenging middle class life, you might want to take a better look at what the Parisian banlieu is like.
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I remember there were some statistics (I'll search for them at some point) that actually suggested that this group was less likely to join ISIS than the one I was talking about previously.
 
Can't find the actual statistics right now, but here's a fantastic article on what I'm trying to get across: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amer-tapaenar-/isis-relative-deprivation_b_6912460.html

Impoverished Muslims are definitely joining ISIS, but we also need to consider another, perhaps more dangerous group:

“Those who are educated and with high ambitions but no real prospects for advancement are the ‘frustrated achievers’ increasingly tempted by radicalism.”

We are losing potentially brilliant, upstanding citizens to this. Not to say that the poor don't matter because they obviously do, but these defectors are having more of an impact than others.
 
This is a perfectly correct assessment, but it's not exactly what you described with bored, unchallenging middle class life.
 
It's a contributing factor to the frustrated achiever complex. Read up about Stoicism, it's an amazing life philosophy.
 
Thanks, I know what Stoicism is. I have a problem with your sweeping statement that implies that those Western Muslims who enjoyed a good education and have no perspective lead an unchallenging middle class life. The very problem is that many are deprived of a middle class life because their education does not pay off.
 
Unchallenged as compared to other lives. No life is without challenge, but these lives, in the grand scheme of things, are not in critical danger, which is what a life with ISIS is on the contrary. As stated, it primarily exploits the youth, who often have the fortune of having relatives that are still alive to look after them, and act as a buffer to prevent any catastrophic downward spiral.

There is truth to what you are saying though.
 
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