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There's noting flawed with my pov.
Please don't teach me history, I know it well.

Those fundamentalists are the physical manifestation of religious teaching. The point of that article comes down to several Muslim states practicing fundamentalism and feeding hatred against West to populace, and then basically making them emigrate to West, because of low standard of living. There's no point in saying we shouldn't allow these types in - we really shouldn't and that's a no brainer. The article goes further to say that we need to deal this bilaterally with the countries that are producing these types.

Eat your own shit, that's the point of the story.
 
From what I've seen of extremist Islamist views in the UK, the most radical are people who are British-born and raised, often from quite Westernised families, but initially are not particularly religious. They consider themselves marginalised and disenfranchised, and make the conscious choice to take this political stance, using religion as supposed justification for it. The poorest immigrants here are generally exceptionally willing to make the most of the opportunities for work, better standards of living, and freedoms afforded to residents.
 
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Zare said:
The point of that article comes down to several Muslim states practicing fundamentalism and feeding hatred against West to populace, and then basically making them emigrate to West, because of low standard of living.
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Which states are those? I couldn't find that in the article.
 
Zare said:
There's noting flawed with my pov.
Please don't teach me history, I know it well.

Those fundamentalists are the physical manifestation of religious teaching. The point of that article comes down to several Muslim states practicing fundamentalism and feeding hatred against West to populace, and then basically making them emigrate to West, because of low standard of living. There's no point in saying we shouldn't allow these types in - we really shouldn't and that's a no brainer. The article goes further to say that we need to deal this bilaterally with the countries that are producing these types.

Eat your own shit, that's the point of the story.
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And that religious teaching is due to the outdated manifesto that Islam is based off of. However, most Muslims are able to separate the good from Islamic teachings from the bad, and practice their religion in peace. If you don't tackle the root cause of the problem, which is Islam and not people who practice Islam, you will only add fuel to the fire.

Fundamentalism is stupid in any religion, at least, in my opinion. But a lot of fundamentalist Muslims don't hate the West, nor do they wish any harm on those who are not fundamentalists. They simply practice their beliefs in private. Fundamentalism is not the core of the problem here. The core is that some Islamic preachers are brainwashing people of the Muslim faith, in particular the youth of the religion, using the religion itself as justification. All of Islam's believers need to see that killing, colonialism and curbing civil rights have no place in modern society, and most have. It just needs a bigger push towards the Middle Eastern countries, which will be a difficult battle between tradition and progress.

What Brig said has a lot of truth to it also. The middle-class are often dissatisfied with their current status in life, and want to seek more opportunities. Once they're indoctrinated into these terrorist cells, they quickly realise how well off they had it before, except there is no option to turn back, or you'll be labelled as a heathen and killed.
 
@RTC, mate I agree with you but that's just a high-level theory, not taking economy into account. This is a very simplified breakdown; 1. entities in europe (both private and state) are using Arab money 2. Arabs with money are to some extent (e.g. some of them are) extremists (just look at most prominent members of Saud family) 3. they're also funding religious centers which are used as indoctrination platform. If you crack down on 3. you lose 1. Simple as that.

Belgium knows exactly what imam is responsible for these attacks. They have all the proof that he's teaching hatred and could persecute him akin to radio broadcaster in Rwanda that called for mass murders.

@Perun, one that I clearly remember from the article was Morocco.
 
Zare said:
@Perun, one that I clearly remember from the article was Morocco.
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And Morocco practices fundamentalism, feeds hatred against West to its populace, and then basically makes them emigrate to West, because of its low standard of living? [citation needed]
 
I just don't think that half of all Muslims living in western countries hate the west. And Politico is pretty right-wing - and they have been known to publish data in a fashion favourable to that area. I am sure some of the Muslims living in western countries hate the west.

I am also concerned (mildly) about certain more-homogeneous immigrant communities not accepting things like women's rights. I read a few articles on the Beeb about this (such as http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35338413) so it's definitely happening, but not at the 50%+ level.
 
Perun said:
And Morocco practices fundamentalism, feeds hatred against West to its populace, and then basically makes them emigrate to West, because of its low standard of living? [citation needed]
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Neither does Bosnia, yet they were (and to certain extent still are) huge European exporter of terrorists both for Europe 'theatre' and Middle East.
I already explained in post to RTC how this works via Arab funding of religious institutions in our countries. Morocco is same story.

I wholeheartedly agree with article's conclusion that we shouldn't spend resources of our open societies onto migrants that want that same society gone. Simple as that.

You also need to understand that there are some lines I can't cross. But if I get a citation needed response every time I try to discuss my opinion, I'll just stop discussing, plain and simple.
 
Zare said:
But if I get a citation needed response every time I try to discuss my opinion, I'll just stop discussing, plain and simple.
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Well, I'm sorry for asking you to back up claims which I'm supposed to take for granted in order to assess your opinion.

Forostar said:
I happen to know the author (not in person but enough). 1 + 1 = 2.
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And the relevancy of his Jewish faith is?
 
Right wing Jews often happen to think negative about Muslims. There's this extra hate fueled by the Palestine conflict.
 
Meanwhile: Erdogan, president of Turkey, Europe's millstone in the refuguee crisis, is really doing his best for his hopes to have Turkey in the EU.
Good to see, finally, a clear reaction from the EU, disapproving of his behaviour. Check out this excellent mockery of this insane politician.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-video-mocking-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan
The complaints centre on a two-minute song, Erdowi, Erdowo, Erdoğan, which was broadcast by the TV channel NDR on 17 March. The lyrics mock the president for everything from his “showy palace with a thousand rooms, built without a permit in a conservation area” to his crackdown on press freedom, and for “jailing journalists for writing things he doesn’t like”.
It also criticises his attitude towards the Kurds, claiming he is “more inclined to bomb them than his brothers in faith from Isis”, and paints a picture of a Europe that is kowtowing to his demands.
Accompanying footage of Angela Merkel being received by Erdoğan at his palace, are the lines: “Be nice to him since he’s holding all the cards”, in reference to the way the German leader has embraced Turkey – despite misgivings about its human rights record – in order to secure its support over the refugee crisis.

Instead of bowing to demands for the video to be wiped, Extra 3 sought to build on the huge interest in the song, fuelled largely by reports of the diplomatic fallout it has caused, by publishing it on Twitter, this time with English subtitles.
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Best video on YouTube. Ever. It says it all. The complete summary of what is wrong with him and his policies.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-turkey-idUSKCN0WW0WK
The EU was more forthright in its criticism, saying that summoning the German envoy did not seem to be in line with the EU's cherished freedoms of the press and of expression.

"(European Commission President Jean-Claude) Juncker believes this moves Turkey further (away) from the EU rather than closer to us," said a spokeswoman, adding that the EU expected Turkey to uphold the highest standards on democracy, rule of law and freedoms.
German newspapers took a tough line against Erdogan.

"Dear Turkish President Erdogan ... Germany is not Turkey. In Germany you cannot muzzle the press," wrote a columnist in top-selling Bild daily.
The center-left Sueddeutsche Zeitung also warned that the EU might be becoming over-dependent on Turkey.

"Many politicians in the European Union are soft on Erdogan because they need him in the migrant crisis," it wrote.
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