I'l love my ass off if it goes downhill with the UK (economically) if the UK leaves the EU. And double fun if Scotland has even more valid reasons to leave the UK. Let London and their yes men (rest of England, Wales and other UK partners) sort it out themselves.
Wales is not a yes man of England at all; there are plenty of people who believe Wales should have independence but acknowledge it is far more overly optimistic than a Scottish claim (and the Scottish claim is already unrealistic). Plenty of Welsh people also hate the English by proxy for their conquest and annexation of Wales back during the times of Edward I. I personally think it's petty hatred, but it's very much a generational thing, which thankfully is starting to die down.
Indeed. Although The British 'leave' camp places immigration very high on its list of concerns, Britain is actually taking in very few by comparison.
What British people are doing, though - background info for anyone not familiar with the situation - is categorising EU migrant workers as immigrants too. A big objection of the 'leave' camp is low-paid migrant workers being entitled to the same benefits and support as UK residents - working family tax credits, child tax credits, housing assistance etc, as well as public money spent on education if whole families move to the UK. Legally-employed migrant workers pay the same taxes as legally-employed UK-born residents and under EU agreements can't be denied the same benefits. Thrown into that mix are claims that migrant workers are depriving UK born residents of jobs and keeping pay rates down (both very debatable), and of course people being disgruntled that Britain might be losing its national identity because of the influx of foreign workers and their families, appearance of Polish food stores in town centres, plus the worsening shortage of social housing.
Whilst restricting welfare to British citizens and immigrant/migrant workers who have lived and worked in the UK for a certain period of time might win over some Euroesceptics, there are those who simply want migrant workers to leave. That is not a given of pulling out of the EU, but some will vote in the hope it will happen.
I definitely think the UKIP people, who seemed very keen to keep Scotland in their union, are doing something that was pretty much a top issue in Scotland. The Scots very much seem quite keen to have EU membership, based on the polling during the referendum. Add in the fact that the economy for Scotland isn't what it was in 2014, I think that you're right in that it would be quite the event and could cause another referendum, but also that Scotland very well might be in a worse place to leave now.
I don't get the impression that Scots have always been majorly pro-EU, they just wouldn't want total isolation if they pull out of Westminster control. A big part these days, as far as I can see, of wanting independence is because it's widely believed that Westminster isn't acting in the best interests of a large section of society in the UK as a whole. The same is said within England, but there's far more support in England for the Conservatives and the Blairite element of Labour. Scotland's political composition really stands out.
I think what the UK is proposing/asking for is something along the lines of some countries having full membership and others (namely them, but possibly others) being associate members, which seems like a reasonable approach.
Moderate Eurosceptics would like membership with few strings attached. Many others have absolutely no truck with the EU and oppose many of features membership entails, from farming subsidies to human rights legislation.
I think the one thing we're in agreement with here is how useless David Cameron's deal was; it's unsatisfying for people who want to leave Europe, it alienates those who wish to stay in, and as Perun has mentioned, could set a nasty trend into motion, and the people in the middle are either not informed enough to make a decision or aren't bothered.
I think the one thing we're in agreement with here is how useless David Cameron's deal was; it's unsatisfying for people who want to leave Europe, it alienates those who wish to stay in, and as Perun has mentioned, could set a nasty trend into motion, and the people in the middle are either not informed enough to make a decision or aren't bothered.
That is not really much different from any vote. Passionate people and/or informed people on each side and the "squishy middle" that generally will get swayed one way or the other based on personality,effectiveness of attacks on the other side, and sweeping generalities
I don't get the impression that Scots have always been majorly pro-EU, they just wouldn't want total isolation if they pull out of Westminster control. A big part these days, as far as I can see, of wanting independence is because it's widely believed that Westminster isn't acting in the best interests of a large section of society in the UK as a whole. The same is said within England, but there's far more support in England for the Conservatives and the Blairite element of Labour. Scotland's political composition really stands out.
Honestly, there is so little anti-EU rhetoric up here; before Cameron's referendum announcement this was a total non-story. It's not that people are outwardly pro-EU, there's just (and this is, of course, anecdotally, from a personal perspective only) no appetite for voting to leave the EU.
It's not that people are outwardly pro-EU, there's just (and this is, of course, anecdotally, from a personal perspective only) no appetite for voting to leave the EU.
That is not really much different from any vote. Passionate people and/or informed people on each side and the "squishy middle" that generally will get swayed one way or the other based on personality,effectiveness of attacks on the other side, and sweeping generalities
I'm not so much talking about the vote, although what you're saying isn't incorrect in that regard. I'm more talking about Cameron's deal appealing to very few, seeing as those with strong opinions are the ones most invested into the decision.
Reading the reactions to the bombing from people out West is a disappointing, albeit not a surprising one. I've grown sick and tired of how PKK is portrayed in a lot of Western media sources. As long as West contributes to the failure to differentiate a terrorist organization from the Kurdish cause itself, they'll only contribute to the suffering of both sides.
Though I do not expect the attitude to change. Not even a little bit. All of the great powers prefer a seperate Kurdish state, not a peaceful solution where Kurds stay in Turkey while gaining their liberties. Russia does not recognize PKK as a terrorist group. United States recognizes it so as to not annoy its ally, but it fails to acknowledge the ties they have with PYD. Everybody in the region knows PYD funnels arms into Turkey to help PKK.
There's very little, if any, acknowledgement that PKK is an organization that has attacked civilians throughout its history. There's very little acknowledgement that PKK finances itself through drug smuggling. Every attack on civilians on the State's part gets reported to a T (Like they should be). But heavens forbid if they cover the extent of PKK's actions towards civilians, their bombing of hospitals and public places in the same manner.
It's fair to criticise the government's behaviour (As do I), not because they're fighting against PKK, but their methods of doing it, which continue to harm Kurdish civilians. But please, for the love of all humanity, stop picking sides in the battle of two evils. Stop trying to push the agenda that PKK are guerilla organization like they claim they are. Stop trying to paint terrorists as freedom fighters. PKK being the leading (in fact, as terror reaches all time high levels, sole) voice for the Kurdish cause hurts the Kurds more than it hurts anyone else. Because them being the voice for Kurds paints all Kurds in a way that's far from the truth. It eradicates any legitimate solution Kurds try to come up with. Every attempt is born dead. If it's not dead yet, PKK makes sure they are with time, as seen with their actions after a party that fights for Kurdish rights got into the parliament for the first time. PKK cannot be the voice against the oppression of Kurds in Turkey. For the sake of both sides.
It's always been my wish to see Kurdish people of our country gain their rights and liberties and we live in peace and harmony. Their inability to do so is one of the things that makes me embarrassed to be a citizen of my country. But looking at it, even if we figure out a way to do it someday, the big brothers won't allow it to happen. As long as they meddle in with Middle East for their personal gains, there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
Sorry for ranting as usual but I hope my passion about the subject in hand is understandable.
AKP being the leading (in fact, as terror reaches all time high levels, sole) voice for the Turkish cause hurts the Turks more than it hurts anyone else. Because them being the voice for Turks paints all Turks in a way that's far from the truth. It eradicates any legitimate solution Turks try to come up with. Every attempt is born dead.
Of course it's true. You're not gonna go anywhere with a radical Islamist, sectarianist, racist government that's greedy for money, personal gain and idolization in power.
Like I said, stop picking sides in the battle of two evils. Turks who look to liberate Kurds, strive for freedom and peace in the country like myself and Kurds who look to support legitimate ways of trying to achieve this goal and look to integrate into society are the ones that deserve support. Not the government and not the terrorists.
Perpetrator of the Taksim Square attack was confirmed to be a member of ISIS. With the recent PKK attacks, people seemed to have forgotten about ISIS' previous attacks on the country. Well they made sure that didn't last long. Fucking hell man.
We're enduring suicide attacks, bombings, exploding trucks from not one but two terrorist organizations. The usually crowded places in Istanbul and Ankara are awfully quiet today. The government insists that we're safe and we should go out but the GP doesn't seem to buy it. And why should they.
Probably related to the group behind the Paris attacks, no? They probably wanted to show that they could still strike after the last Paris terrorist was arrested the other day.
This, together with the recent series of attacks in Turkey, is not going to make the situation in Europe any brighter.
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