Dictators

I feel that I somehow convinced you already.
Libya's social laying up to its people it's something unbelievable, I told you before but you didn't seem to notice:
They give them free houses ! Free.
The import high technology and sell it back to the people half price.
A car is easy to be bought by a middle citizen : Go to see in Egypt what means having a car, or to be educated.

I tell you LC : Gaddafi's fame will be considerably restored in the next 2 years.
But possibly, with a little personal research, you'll find out why, much more sooner than that.
 
You haven't convinced me of shit.

Gadaffi is no better than Ho Chi Minh or Pol Pot or Stalin or Mao - yes, he has built a fairly successful society but at what price?  The price of blood and death and destruction to those who oppose him.  Sure, he is playing nice now, but that can't take away from the horrors he used to obtain and maintain power - and it can't restore those he had murdered to life.
 
Quetzalcoatlus said:
Libya's social laying up to its people it's something unbelievable, I told you before but you didn't seem to notice:
They give them free houses ! Free.
The import high technology and sell it back to the people half price.
A car is easy to be bought by a middle citizen : Go to see in Egypt what means having a car, or to be educated.
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Wow, really unbelievable. What's that worth to the people who get their hands cut off or get imprisoned for voicing their opinion? Get real.
 
LooseCannon said:
...yes, he has built a fairly successful society but at what price?  The price of blood and death and destruction to those who oppose him.  Sure, he is playing nice now, but that can't take away from the horrors he used to obtain and maintain power - and it can't restore those he had murdered to life...
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Others never pay, I remind you. The most.
 
Quetzalcoatlus said:
Others never pay, I remind you. The most.
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Huh?  Look man, you can say what you want, but whether or not Gadaffi gets justice is moot: he is a terrible human being, and a criminal.  If you support him for such reasons as you want...fine.  But I have lost respect for you.  A lot of it, because you think that someone who used crooked methods and murderous means to gain power, and has now done some favourable things deserve praise.

I pity you.
 
There's a difference between the shit in my life, and your life, and the blood of thousands on Gadaffi's hands.
 
Guys let's give eachother a break for a minute. I am no mod, but still...

Let's not get too personal here. I might have started it, but we don't need to rub eachother's faces for the whole evening, do we?
 
Quetzalcoatlus said:
Ah yes I see... Kicked for what exactly ??
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And that makes even less sense... Could you in some way please tell us in simple words what your thoughts are?
 
Well, it wasn't me if he was trying to point that out. And in that case, he also did not properly respond to my post.
 
In any case, I agree with Foro, none of us should get too worked up about this. In my defence, I never attacked no5 personally. It's just that what I quoted there ("Others never pay, I remind you. The most.") really doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand that sentence. What are you trying to say, no5?
 
For the record: I kicked no5 a couple of times, but decided I really shouldn't do that and "repaired" his rating. So let's not waste more time on that matter.
 
Ok, I'm gonna jump in here... sorry to have even started this to be honest- I was curious.

If I understand his post correctly, he is trying to make the statement that other dictators will seize power, take control and wealth, but never return it to the people.  Hence, 'others never pay'.  I beileve 'the most' means : most dictators don't return a fraction of the wealth, whereas Gadaffi has, recently(?) returned some.

Now, my curiousity came in the form of 'why is any dictator ok?'... coming from the western world, a dictator, by nature (to my thinking) is a bad thing.  So, having a good one of the bad guys still doesn't make any sense to me.  I am actually wondering, not towards Gadaffi, does anyone think that a dictatorship can be run in a good fashion?
 
I know how it feels when a proper respond doesn't come. I had this with a couple of times in the homosexuality topic.

Still no_5 didn't get an answer to his answer as well, or did he? I don't see it as a problem to compare Libya with other countries in the Middle East zone.

But I don't want to light the fire too much again.


@Wasted: My simple answer to your question is no.

But it's possible that some of us might have different definitons of dictatorship and different labels for various leaders.
 
I think the problem Prune and I have with comparing Gadaffi to other Arabic dictators is that while Gadaffi may not be a mass murderer on the scale of Saddam Hussein or a crazy nutjob like what'shisface in Syria, but he is still a mass murderer.  To us, that fact undercuts any of the "successes" Gadaffi's tyranny may have seen.
 
Wasted CLV said:
Now, my curiousity came in the form of 'why is any dictator ok?'... coming from the western world, a dictator, by nature (to my thinking) is a bad thing.  So, having a good one of the bad guys still doesn't make any sense to me.  I am actually wondering, not towards Gadaffi, does anyone think that a dictatorship can be run in a good fashion?
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Short answer: no.

Slightly longer answer: No dictatorship can survive without restricting freedom of speech, and a society without freedom of speech is a bad one.
 
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