Death Magnetic

____no5 said:
10€ ? kudos to them !

anyway here is Mr Don Kaye's review for Death Magnetic
he is such a pityful as he tries to be excused for rating St Anger 8.0 
---->http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/showreview.aspx?reviewID=1492

here is his review for AMOLAD  :mad: 
---->http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/showreview.aspx?reviewID=858
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when that song proceeds to go nowhere for anywhere from five to nine-and-a-half minutes.
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there's been a decided lack of fire and creativity in their studio work for at least the last decade
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giving it the feel of a record made by a band that's pretty much sticking to an old formula.
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most of the other tracks on the CD just seem to go on and on pointlessly, the band stretching the songs as far as they can not because it's necessary, but just because they can.
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Do these describe Death Magnetic?  Perhaps, but they seem to have mixed those reviews up big time... These are all from the A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH review!  What the fuck?  I do agree mostly with the Metallica review, but that AMOLAD review is pure bullshit.

As for the repetition, I agree that there is some/a lot of it, but it doesn't bother me that much.  I don't mind repeating a chorus several times if it's a good chorus, as long as it's not repeated over and over again in the last 4 minutes of the song à la Angel and the Gambler.  Take All Nightmare Long, for example.  The chorus is repeated many times but it's a great chorus in my opinion and there's stuff in between too.  It's never repeated twice in a row so it stays fresh.

I'm really starting to agree with you heavily on the solos, Foro.  Some solos are really not that good and some are overly distorted.  There are some Slayeresque/Megadethesque solos here and there and those I really like but right now I can't remember which songs those were on (I think Suicide & Redemption and Broken, Beat & Scarred at least).  However, I think the solos are also let out by the production, which is sometimes overly distorted.  The production suits the riffing, but not the solos. 

By the way, I am really hating The Unforgiven III by now.  That song does nothing for me, absolutely nothing.  Even now I can't remember any part of it, and it's got zero emotion, while emotion was what made the original Unforgiven really good.  As a ballad, The Day that Never Comes is so much better. 

Edit: I listened just now to Death Magnetic the first time with headphones, and it's a lot worse than I thought.  I've only been listening to the album from my sub-par computer stereo system and that muddles up sound anyway, but it's almost horrible with headphones.
 
cornfedhick said:
I also wonder whether the "all-epic" nature of this album owes a debt to the precedent Iron Maiden set with AMOLAD.   
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After having listened to the album more, I hereby move that we now refer to it as "[A Matter of Life and] Death Magnetic" (or [AMOLA]DM), as I am now more convinced than I was when I wrote the above quote that Metallica tried -- and for the most part failed -- to copy the gestalt of Iron Maiden's last album. 
 
I haveto say I also noticed some similarities between AMOLAD and Death Magnetic when I first heard Death Magnetic...it would explain why the average length of their songs is so...long. The big difference: AMOLAD isn't boring and is actually a progression from the last album.
 
cornfedhick said:
After having listened to the album more, I hereby move that we now refer to it as "[A Matter of Life and] Death Magnetic" (or [AMOLA]DM), as I am now more convinced than I was when I wrote the above quote that Metallica tried -- and for the most part failed -- to copy the gestalt of Iron Maiden's last album. 
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I second this motion.  All in favour, say "Aye!"  All opposed, say, "I was sued by Metallica in 1998 and loved it!"
 
To be perfectly honest I find the comparisons to AMOLAD stupid. So every band that releases an album with long songs is copying maiden now? N***a please. Most albums I bought in 2005 by 80's bands were HEAVY, does that mean they were copying each other or more of a trend? I don't care. The solos are sloppy? Just be fucking thankful that there are any at all. This thread should be changed to the "I want to whine for the hell of it thread." I second THAT motion and vote "aye."
 
LooseCannon said:
I second this motion.  All in favour, say "Aye!"  All opposed, say, "I was sued by Metallica in 1998 and loved it!"
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Aye! (I'm ignoring Onhell).
 
Onhell said:
To be perfectly honest I find the comparisons to AMOLAD stupid. So every band that releases an album with long songs is copying maiden now? N***a please. Most albums I bought in 2005 by 80's bands were HEAVY, does that mean they were copying each other or more of a trend? I don't care. The solos are sloppy? Just be fucking thankful that there are any at all. This thread should be changed to the "I want to whine for the hell of it thread." I second THAT motion and vote "aye."
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Aye!

This must be the first time I'm siding with Onhell against the majority though...
 
According to Billboard.com, Metallica is the first group to see five of its albums bow at No. 1 on The Billboard 200. Previously, the act was tied with The Beatles, U2 and the Dave Matthews Band, with four each. The group's latest LP, "Death Magnetic", which sold nearly half a million copies in the United States in just a three-day sales window, is also Metallica's fifth consecutive studio album to debut at No. 1 and its seventh release to start with more than 300,000 since 1991, when Nielsen SoundScan began tracking data.

The band's first studio album since 2003 moved 490,000 copies in its abbreviated frame, scheduled off-cycle on a Friday to accommodate a worldwide release date.

Metallica's last CD, "St. Anger", also had an unusual release date after Elektra Records decided to move up its release to Thursday, June 5, 2003 from Tuesday, June 10, 2003 "to ensure that counterfeit copies of the band's first studio album in six years do not proliferate in the marketplace," the label said at the time.

"St. Anger" sold 363,000 copies in its first full week of release to land at No. 2 on The Billboard 200 chart. The album shifted 418,000 copies in the U.S. in its first, shortened week on the streets.

Metallica's "Re-Load" album sold 435,000 units during its first week in 1997, while 1996's "Load" opened at 680,000. 1991's self-titled "black album" debuted with 598,000 and has since gone on to sell more than 15.2 million copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan.
 
Onhell said:
To be perfectly honest I find the comparisons to AMOLAD stupid.
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Hey!  I take offense.  Consider me an annoyed pompous bastard.  Seriously, though, I think it is naive to assume that Metallica was not at least somewhat (perhaps greatly) influenced by AMOLAD. 
 
thanks for these interesting infos Foro !

and I'm glad cornfedhick recognized the AMOLAD "influences"
difficult to explain it, but I'm sure there are !
besides, the other similarity of DM to Slayer sound at times, only enforces my belief
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Maiden, they reach with AMOLAD something that they wanted so much back in 99 ;
to create the potential for the return of the ol'good metal
inside metal community
and they managed it -maybe not in the way that they have it dreamed, but they did

-I was feeling it before two years, and now with Death Magnetic I see it clearly
 
cornfedhick said:
Hey!  I take offense.  Consider me an annoyed pompous bastard.  Seriously, though, I think it is naive to assume that Metallica was not at least somewhat (perhaps greatly) influenced by AMOLAD. 
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My musical ear may not be as sharp as it used to, but I don't find any MUSICAL similarities, nor lyrical. So both albums share the name "Death" on the cover... how many metal bands don't do that? Again aside from song length and maybe song structure, Death Magnetic is more a cry back to classic thrash (where the comparisons to Slayer are more appropriate) than anything else.
 
Even though I only heard sections of the album, I'd have to agree with Onhell.  Maiden did not popularize progressive metal, nor is the Metallica album close enough to progressive metal to influenced by AMOLAD.  There are time changes, but it is still inherently thrash metal.
 
Here are two more different albums, from the very same genres we are talking about. Both are from the same year: Somewhere in Time and Reign in Blood  :P
 
I'd also remind that ...And Justice for All was extremely progressive and even Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning had their progressive moments.  AMOLAD may have led to Metallica stretching their songs a bit, but that's about all I can agree to.  Okay, the CD booklet had a bit of the feel of the AMOLAD CD booklet, but only the same feel; they didn't copy anything.
 
Invader said:
  Okay, the CD booklet had a bit of the feel of the AMOLAD CD booklet, but only the same feel; they didn't copy anything.
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:blink: you think so ??
I find it much more similar with "...and Justice for all" booklet -basicaly a colour reference
 
I noticed that too, the booklet is very similar to the 80's design and artwork. I can't find a "thank you" section either...
 
Well, see, I don't have the ...And Justice booklet because I don't own the CD.  In fact, I don't own any Metallica CDs except the Black Album which I got as a gift. :(

About the "feel": I just thought that since they were both black and white, and they both had a sort of melancholic, silent atmosphere, I thought the two booklets felt quite similar.
 
All four members of Metallica were interviewed separately by Bruce Dickinson for this past Friday's (September 19) edition of Bruce's weekly BBC 6 Music radio program, dubbed "The Bruce Dickinson Friday Rock Show". The program is now available for streaming at BBC.co.uk. (Note: The broadcast will only be available for another five days.)
 
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