DAWSON 1 YEAR ON

[MrK]

I think Simon's playing some drums and Nicko used to play some drums.

It is what it is innit?

 

[dickinson1978]

Why is it so hard for you to just admit that you PREFER Simon's tempos and/or performances on RFYL to Nicko's tempos and/or performances on FP? It's a perfectly valid opinion.

Why do you NEED to try and prove it objectively?

Even nicko has said that he was really sick in the last year, and he realized that he couldnt continue in the 2nd australian date.

 

[Kurt Barlow]

Conversely, I actually don’t mind Shirley’s sound! I guess the only criticism I can level at it is that there’s not much in the way of dynamics, ala Birch. But sonically, I’m into it. I recognise I’m pretty much alone in this!

 

[Eduardo Cabeza]

See what I wrote above. Stop fighting strawmen and engage with what I'm actually stating. There's overlap between those tours. Take The Trooper or Wasted Years and directly compare them. Nicko had enormous timing issues and fluctuations. Simon very clearly does not. This is not a subjective assessment, this is simply critical analysis of their performances. Which is completely different than claiming "Nicko and Clive are objectively better than Simon".


As I've literally stated multiple timed already it is perfectly valid to prefer one over the other, no matter which direction. But stating their own subjective preference as an objective fact is delusional. I don't know how often I need to repeat this, it's really not a difficult argument. I'm afraid y'all are only glossing over the posts instead of properly reading and parsing what's written.

@Kurt Barlow , and many of us, have pointed out that Simon has "timing issues and fluctuations. This is not a subjective assessment, this is simply critical analysis of their performances".

 

[Yax]

@Kurt Barlow , and many of us, have pointed out that Simon has "timing issues and fluctuations. This is not a subjective assessment, this is simply critical analysis of their performances".

It is a prime example of intersubjectivity. There are no objective critical analysises.

Aspire to objectively assessing the data and others reach the same conclusion based on the same data/whatever = intersubjective consensus.

Might seem nitpicking, but it's rather important to acknowledge that we can't really objectively gauge things (particularly aspects of interconnected things), and not quality of performances. We can try our best though with the data and metrics we use.

 

[Eduardo Cabeza]

There is no reason to expect Dawson to be kept if push back is significant. Blaze Bayley managed 2 albums before someone got thru to Steve.

Sadly, the pressure would never be that strong. I don't think any of the band members want to risk their position with a seismic discussion when Maiden is looking at mega-profitable plans ahead.

Casual fans don't care about drums as much as vocals, so Simon will most probably stay until the end... Maybe it ends up hurting if he doesn't get any better, but it would take time for a big bunch of the audience to say "no more." There are people, like me, who won't go to see them with him behind the drums, unless they bring the most radical left-field setlist —Be Quick or Be Dead, Only the Good Die Young, No Prayer for the Dying... you get the idea— but it would take a couple more tours for this to be really noticeable in ticket sales, and it does not look like the band will be around longer than that.

 

[Eduardo Cabeza]

It is a prime example of intersubjectivity. There are no objective critical analysises.

Aspire to objectively assessing the data and others reach the same conclusion based on the same data/whatever = intersubjective consensus.

Might seem nitpicking, but it's rather important to acknowledge that we can't really objectively gauge things (particularly aspects of interconnected things), and not quality of performances. We can try our best though with the data and metrics we use.

My example was only aimed at showing how double-sided @Vaenyr's argument was.

His criticism was objective; ours wasn't.

 

[MaryPelon]

The likely case is m

joe Lazarus is Harris’ nephew. Joe has grown up with Maiden.

Your arguments would be more convincing if you didn't keep bringing up Joe Lazarus. Then people might think, “That must be a friend of Joe's or his dad,” haha.
And if it really is that you don't like how Maiden sounds anymore, it shouldn't matter.
You don't have to be a Maiden fan who has spent years practicing Maiden songs for the role, just listen to Rush with Anika Nilles.

 

[Terry1958]

Maiden were never going to go on tour with a young lad bouncing about the place. They are all pensioners, it was always going to be someone who fit the personality dynamics above anything else.

I am not surprised by how Iron Maiden went about finding their new drummer. That is how they operate.
But I don't like that retirement age is always given as the reason.
There are so many counterexamples of “old” bands that are clearly in the final phase of their careers. They have still brought in a young member and taken a risk. Rush is just the latest example.
So that is not areasonwhy that is unlikely or impossible.

PS: The new young member could have bounced together with Janick.