Are you pleased with Maiden's direction?
- Thread starter chaosapiant
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Suicidehummer
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TROLL.
And Jeff, you're being just as ridiculous, taking a shot at the US for no reason. I'm sick of foreigners bashing the US. Don't hold me responsible for the stupid shit other people in this country do, and just the same don't hold me responsible for the good things other people in this country do. I don't say, "Oh, you're just a typical German racist Nazi" to every German person I meet.
And Jeff, you're being just as ridiculous, taking a shot at the US for no reason. I'm sick of foreigners bashing the US. Don't hold me responsible for the stupid shit other people in this country do, and just the same don't hold me responsible for the good things other people in this country do. I don't say, "Oh, you're just a typical German racist Nazi" to every German person I meet.
chaosapiant
Ancient Marinade
Jeffmetal said:
I'm also from the U.S., and not everyone here is as close minded as mister "3 paragraphs of hate" up above. USA in general doesn't have the Maiden following like Europe and S America, but there are still plenty of true bred fans like myself, so don't discount people like us with the rest of the U.S.
chaosapiant
Ancient Marinade
JamesBong said:
It's a troll post if you take your opinion as fact. That you registered to post such a negative comment on a forum of people who universally love the band and most of its works is also trollish. Nonetheless, you have every right to express your opinion, no matter how much I disagree with it. But it is not fact.
Jeffmetal
Ancient Mariner
chaosapiant said:
It still doesn't make what I said a lie. If you're a true fan, you shouldn't be bothered with what I said. There are several forums here in Brasil which has comments even worse than the one that was made by Mr. Hate above. There are posers and whinners in Brasil, too, and a lot, believe me!!! Don't know why yankees get so sensitive when there's criticism about anything coming from them, specially when you people knows what is good, so it's clearly not directed at you guys. Pathetic.
Prisoner Of Maiden
Trooper
Jeffmetal said:
LOL you just edited your post to add "Pathetic". Man you come off aggressive alot of the time maybe thats why there getting defensive and so what if the majority of the US has a different musical taste then us (even tho the music is carp). Let them bash the new Maiden album, it doesn't bother me I'm still going to enjoy it just as much. I'm sure Maiden doesn't give a rats ass about it either because they know there are people in the US that are just as die hard as people from Europe and South America.
JamesBong said:
Well, I'll disagree on the thought that the most recent albums were horrendous, but that's just fine. You're welcome to your opinion, of course. Nor do I consider the albums, especially The Final Frontier, to be predictable in any way. But hey, that's the firm land of opinion for you.
JamesBong said:
Complexity, as defined by dictionary.com, is "the state or quality of being complex; intricacy". In otherwords, a complex song is something that is carefully arranged and put together, which the longer songs, with multiple time changes and growing interplay between the three guitar setup, certainly has. The term you're looking for is "uniqueness". And I would disagree; my ears hear many differences between the various longer songs of the past few albums.
JamesBong said:
I've had the same criticism of the recent albums. However, I simply think you're wrong. Firstly, the "Sign of the Cross" form that many songs have had of late is actually "intro, verse, verse, chorus, verse, instrumental, chorus, outro". To be fair, only about 5 songs actually fit that pattern in the period in question. However, if you mean they begin and end soft, yes, that's something that's been going on of late. They ended that in The Final Frontier, mind you. "Starblind", "The Talisman", and "Mother of Mercy" end hot. "The Man Who Would Be King" does it, but the outro isn't exactly soft either. Only "Where the Wild Wind Blows" follows the pattern you talk about. Somewhat, because it doesn't really have a chorus, either. It's more like a long tale. I see much variation, if not complete uniqueness, on this album. And how would you quantify "Isle of Avalon", probably the most interesting and different-sounding song they've done in years?
JamesBong said:
Your prejudice shows, as many Iron Maiden fans would humbly suggest they've written many songs since 1982 that deserve mention among the band's best. If you think something's dreck, that's just peachy. But your opinion is just that. I think that if you call "Where the Wild Wind Blows" dreck than you're a complete deaf inbred idiot, but again, that's just opinion, and I have no right to project my opinion over yours as you've attempted to do yours with us.
JamesBong said:
Bull. Fucking. Shit. People absorb art in different ways. You don't always appreciate a fine wine the first time you taste it; it takes people minutes, hours of looking to "get" a Picasso; some books take five, ten, twenty reads to appreciate the full text. Works of art are subjective. If you're looking for a sound that hammers your ears and grabs you by the balls, Maiden has tons of that stuff. Many people enjoy listening for the wonderful intricacies that have been written more lately, and that's just fine. If you don't have the patience or understanding to listen to an album several times, that's you. Again, you're assuming your experience to be the superior, like most smug fucktools do.
JamesBong said:
No. In your opinion those albums are lousy. People may disagree with you. Some may agree that some of those albums are lousy, but love others. Art is subjective. Your opinion is your own.
JamesBong said:
Yeah, like that first album that was so terrible that he basically wrote and produced himself. Fact check time! In the seven albums released in the 1980s, Steve Harris wrote or cowrote 49 of 54 songs, or 90.7%. From The X Factor through The Final Frontier, Steve wrote or cowrote 57 of 60 songs, or 95%. However, the percentage of songs soley written by Steve has plummeted from over half to around 10%. While it's no secret he has the final say, it's hard to argue he has much more creative control now than he did then. Iron Maiden is, and remains, Steve Harris and Band.
JamesBong said:
I'm pretty sure that hundreds of thousands of people saw the A Matter of Life and Death Tour. The backlash you mentioned happened only in the United States, and Iron Maiden played the entire album throughout the whole tour. They then began the "A Matter of the Beast Tour", four months later, which was a separate entity. The only reference I could find to Iron Maiden changing their setlist as a result of fan backlash was an unreferenced line in Wikipedia that came from your IP range. So, yeah. Source on that one required. Most of the people I know who saw that tour loved it.
JamesBong said:
Good thing most people think that Iron Maiden doesn't make music like that!
JamesBong said:
We heard the same criticism of the current setlist. Unfortunately, the bootlegs just don't show this as fact. The new songs, the ones from A Matter of Life and Death seem to be getting a solid crowd reaction, almost as much as some of the older classics. Add in the fact that Maiden is again playing to a few hundred thousand people on the current tour, that makes this just plain bunk.
JamesBong said:
That's what they'd be if they just did what you want, rehashed the 1980s over and over. For better or for worse, Iron Maiden is doing something different than what made them famous. You may not like it, but the numbers speak for themselves. We're looking at a #1 album in the UK, Canada, Germany, and Scandinavia. A #3 album in the United States, their highest charting album of all time in that area, and only the second to crack the top 10. The first, of course, was A Matter of Life and Death. The band is on a successful tour playing stuff mostly from 2000 and later, and they're rocking every gig they play.
If you don't like the new direction...don't buy the fucking album. Don't go to the fucking tour. Buy a copy of Live After Death and masturbate to it all night long and clean yourself off with your Powerslave t-shirt. I don't care. I don't even care if you don't like it. You're welcome to your opinion. I just don't like you coming here and telling everyone what they need to think. As adults, as sentient beings, we have the ability to choose for ourselves. We don't need some prick telling us what to think and do. It's your attitude that's the problem, not your opinion.
JamesBong said:
I trust I've been eloquent enough for you.
Oh. 3/10. Obvious troll is obvious, but thanks for the opportunity to say what I've been thinking for the past couple weeks.
Suicidehummer
Trooper
JamesBong said:
...it's not though. You're just an idiot.
Jeffmetal said:
You seem to be missing the point. Every time somebody says something stupid, the reaction tends to be "You must be an American". And you don't expect intelligent Americans to get sick of hearing that and pissed when they do? What planet do you live on?
Alright, LC has explained why the troll is being a troll. Can we move on now?
Suicidehummer
Trooper
LC, until you ban him, he will not stop. I know trolls, and no matter how well you prove them wrong, they will not stop.
The matters of JamesBong and Jeffmetal have attracted the attention of the moderators. Please do not continue these silly arguments further. Let's keep it civil and get back on track.
Prisoner Of Maiden
Trooper
Jeffmetal said:
Can you show me when have I not been able to "take an opinion"? I'm a lurker on this forum and all I do is read peoples opinions and except them 99% of the time (that 1% being the odd troll), to each their own.... I was just saying how I noticed you coming off a tad bit aggressively towards a few of the other members but that could just be an accident since you cant really show emotion over the internet .
EDIT: LMAO have a praise LC, great stuff!
Jeffmetal said:
We're not comparing you to a troll. It's more the US thing than anyway. Just be politeish
