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Flaming Blimp Crash said:
Because it's hideously dumb policy. Please explain how it would work in the US's favor.
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I don’t think it would in the US’s favor in the short term.
Onhell’s video above explains the concept. The way I understand it is that Trump is a huge admirer of the manufacturing powerhouse US used to be and he believes that tariffs would help steer there.
I believe tariffs could help get there, but not in 4 years, not in even 10. Getting US to what it was after WWII you’d probably need a good 15 years. And you’d need further investments on education, training, infrastructure etc.

Additional explanation below. To be clear, I’m not sold on Trump’s tariffs, AT ALL, just trying to understand what’s the logic behind, and there should be one.

 
The US's manufacturing dominance after World War II? The infrastructure of the country was intact in comparison to Europe and Asia being ravaged by war on their soil. With that, the US had the head start of head starts to keep building its post-war economy. The external factors then compared to now? A completely different planet.
 
Flaming Blimp Crash said:
The US's manufacturing dominance after World War II? The infrastructure of the country was intact in comparison to Europe and Asia being ravaged by war on their soil. With that, the US had the head start of head starts to keep building its post-war economy. The external factors then compared to now? A completely different planet.
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Not to mention that his obsession with manufacturing ignores domestic and global factors that lead to outsourcing and moving from an industrial economy to a service economy.

The idea that this will somehow HELP the US is beyond ludicrous. The fact that he's deporting undocumented, documented as well as legal residents and the not so odd actual citizen is already hurting the economy, and has seen stunts like the one in Florida where they are floating the idea of relaxing child labor laws to fill the gap once done by migrants. This proves the idea that if you kick people out the ones here will jump at the chance to fill said jobs false.

On the other hand, somehow, since January there have been 300k+ jobs created....
 
Perun said:
Trump's decisions seem irrational and mad only if you believe he's making them in the interest of the American people, or even its economy. Trump is only acting in his own interest here.
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Not just his, there is a small gang of elites who are "advising" him on said upending of the current economic status quo.
 
This would be easily traceable and criminal to treasonous level. But nevertheless there’s something unconvincing in this argument. He keeps preaching tariffs for 40 years… And US isn’t any banana republic. There are checks, balances and serious institutions. Without a genuine motive this wouldn’t fly.
 
Checks and balances? :applause: He had turned the damn WH easter reception into a way to get personal donations. He is stacking institutions with loyalists and clamping down on the judiciary. The House talked about gutting funding to keep courts from hearing cases challenging the Administration.
 
Yes, I agree, it’s ugly and worrisome, but tanking his country or world economy for personal enrichment, with his loyalists knowing and supporting that, is altogether another level. We aren’t there yet.
 
____no5 said:
Yes, I agree, it’s ugly and worrisome, but tanking his country or world economy for personal enrichment, with his loyalists knowing and supporting that, is altogether another level. We aren’t there yet.
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His loyalists implies they'd be loyal to him and not the country or world economy. Which is the point of appointing loyalists.
 
Flaming Blimp Crash said:
His loyalists implies they'd be loyal to him and not the country or world economy. Which is the point of appointing loyalists.
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That would apply to a 10th rate banana republic or deep dictatorship, but we are talking about the strongest democracy in the world.
I agree 100% that the loyalists turn the blind eye when it comes to first amendment or bypassing congress for tariffs, but this is one thing and be accomplices to high treason, another.

They are delusional enough to believe that they will balance manufacturing prowess of China in a mere couple of years, Bessent says exactly that in the interview I posted above.

Also it’s 40 years Trump praises tariffs, before he even have remotely any shot to presidency. He lives in the past, a devoted McKinley admirer and all.

No doubt that he will try to enrich himself as a side-project, but there’s enough evidence that he believes his delusions.
 
sTrOnGeSt dEmOcRaCy

Trump is continually committing crimes including unconstitutional acts. The US is quite literally descending into fascism. And it is also on its way to becoming a banana republic.

You'd have to be willfully ignorant and obtuse to think Trump has any desire to shape the US according to some alleged image. The man has only ever cared about his money, that's it.
 
Willful ignorance plays an important part in this, as does main character syndrome. The "nothing's going to happen to me" mindset. There were Jews who voted for the Nazis because they thought the German society was too civilised to deny their integration and contribution.

Also note how one of 5's favourite phrases is "we're not there yet", as if the outcome is inevitable but at the same time we shouldn't point it out because that's being soooo dramatic.
 
Perun said:
I read an interesting quote the other day: The road to Fascism is paved by people saying "Stop exaggerating".
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Yes but what are the options here except raise awareness before midterms?
Press is still free in the US they could go full on against him but they aren’t.
Are you happy with how US press & Democrats handle Trump’s first 100 days?
 
Perun said:
Also note how one of 5's favourite phrases is "we're not there yet", as if the outcome is inevitable but at the same time we shouldn't point it out because that's being soooo dramatic.
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That's something that I see pretty often, online in particular. This mindset that whenever Trump does something unprecedented that it somehow isn't that bad (yet) and that anyone who cries foul is overreacting. For people love Trump for "saying it like it is", but at the same time it's always "just a joke, he wasn't serious". Yet now we are starting to feel the very serious effects of his actions.
These types of people are enabling the descent to fascism. They seem to think that it's only fascism once millions of some non-white minority have been exterminated, ignoring the long steps required to reach such a point (and we're right on track, repeating mistakes we thought we learned from last century).
 
____no5 said:
Yes but what are the options here except raise awareness before midterms?
Press is still free in the US they could go full on against him but they aren’t.
Are you happy with how US press & Democrats handle Trump’s first 100 days?
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They aren't free in practice anymore. He has subjugated them through intimidation, through denying them access to the WH, W Post editorial has been banned of being critical by Bezos, You should know that. He has threatened to revoke broadcast rights through EO's
 
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