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UpTheIrons said:
One frustration with being a diehard MAGA guy must be having to defend a policy one day and then defending the exact opposite the next day when Trump U-turns...
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It's an impressive amount of mental gymnastics that they have to keep doing to justify their loyalty to Trump. There's something deliciously ironic about conservatives blasting Biden for the economy, voting for Trump to lower prices (even though historically Republicans are bad for the economy), only for everything to crash and burn right now. I've already seen Trump supporters complaining about how they can't afford anything anymore, but they aren't ready yet to take accountability and acknowledge that this is a direct consequence of their vote.

Sucks for everyone else caught in the crossfire though.
 
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____no5 said:
Yes but the key here is that this comes from an Elite person who holds a key position in the Administration.
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What a comical qualifier.
____no5 said:
This is one thing but seeing how many countries fell for it, is even more frustrating. Especially with statements as the above that countries could “write checks to Treasury that help us finance global public goods” or Trump saying about those countries’ leaders that are “kissing my ass” what the actual fuck.
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When asked to provide the list of the countries that reached out for details, the White House punted. Just as was the case for the initial round of tariffs on Canada and Mexico, the reversal was made without concessions from any other country. The White House merely shit a brick at the bond market getting wobbly.
 
____no5 said:
This is one thing but seeing how many countries fell for it, is even more frustrating. Especially with statements as the above that countries could “write checks to Treasury that help us finance global public goods” or Trump saying about those countries’ leaders that are “kissing my ass” what the actual fuck.
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I'm gonna lean out the window and say that was a pure and blatant lie.
 
Flaming Blimp Crash said:
When asked to provide the list of the countries that reached out for details, the White House punted. Just as was the case for the initial round of tariffs on Canada and Mexico, the reversal was made without concessions from any other country. The White House merely shit a brick at the bond market getting wobbly.
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Could be.
But there was India, Taiwan, Japan, Israel, Vietnam, Korea and more that reached out.
 
____no5 said:
Could be.
But there was India, Taiwan, Japan, Israel, Vietnam, Korea and more that reached out.
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No, it's not a 'could be.' Trump's own words said he had to reverse because people were getting afraid and 'queasy.' He was willing to stomach stock market drops, but as soon as news comes out that there's trouble afoot in the bond market, he folds. If people were offering deals, why'd he not take them? Let's look at this from Trump's perspective - if the other countries were the ones that were afraid and you've backed them into a corner, why would you suddenly pull back?

When he reversed on Canada and Mexico earlier in the year, he was boasting that he backed both countries down on border concessions when both were strictly adhering to agreements already made and being enforced during the Biden administration. It's Trump, to him, he always has to look strong - instead he bowed out and is projecting weakness. Not only that, but he's now shown to the countries that hold US debt how to back the US down. He blinked and gave the world a strategic opening.
 
Ah ok I see what you mean. But even so, the damage is done as the end of trade with China is irreversible and that alone can be immensely disruptive.

I wasn’t focused if Trump “chickened” or not at all, I couldn’t care less; it’s the usual Trump, back and forth all the time but those things they posted in the White House site above or him saying the leaders are “kissing my ass” are outrageous enough on their own right.
 
Perun said:
Can we say "told you so" now, or is it still too early for that?
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Yes in the way that I was expecting way more careful moves from a Trump's second term. But if you say that in comparison to Biden, the bar is incredibly high to clear.
I think the vision is there but he is incredibly inpatient which screws everything up. Tariffs' U-turn was a major blow to his ego but there is still time (theoretically) to put his act together and correct his course i.e., with China, but also in a more general way, as of planning more thoroughly, consulting more widely and executing more carefully. In this regard it's still early but I'm not holding my breath. He wants quick wins and this is a huge flaw, which may be proven disastrous.
 
Found this nice analysis about why Trump Administration is doing this and how it’s doomed to fail.
Much of the analysis is centered around deconstructing Steve Miran’s talk to Hudson Institute event.

 
____no5 said:
Yes in the way that I was expecting way more careful moves from a Trump's second term. But if you say that in comparison to Biden, the bar is incredibly high to clear.
I think the vision is there but he is incredibly inpatient which screws everything up. Tariffs' U-turn was a major blow to his ego but there is still time (theoretically) to put his act together and correct his course i.e., with China, but also in a more general way, as of planning more thoroughly, consulting more widely and executing more carefully. In this regard it's still early but I'm not holding my breath. He wants quick wins and this is a huge flaw, which may be proven disastrous.
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When is it time? When Trump evoked the Insurrection Act? When civil war breaks out openly in the US? When global production collapses? Or is that too dramatic again?
 
On the issue of Trade War he fucked up good but we still have a window of opportunity of say a month or so to change course.
On the issue of World Peace he still performs better than Biden, Trump’s “Russia” is Iran, it looks bad, but we aren’t there yet.
 
____no5 said:
On the issue of Trade War he fucked up good but we still have a window of opportunity of say a month or so to change course.
On the issue of World Peace he still performs better than Biden, Trump’s “Russia” is Iran, it looks bad, but we aren’t there yet.
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Has he though? I was actually hopeful that he may go some way to wrap up the ongoing global conflicts but so far all he has achieved is a botched and now broken ceasefire in Israel/Gaza and for all the theatre has basically accomplished nothing with regards to Ukraine. There has not been any indication whatsoever from Putin that he is going to back down from his maximalist objectives, most notably Ukraine handing over the four claimed oblasts to Russia, which has been repeatedly stated as being a red line for Ukraine.

Further to that, he has also continued to bomb the Houthis and is turning up the rhetoric on Iran, threatening bombing.
 
____no5 said:
But if you say that in comparison to Biden, the bar is incredibly high to clear.
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Bullshit and you know it ;)

____no5 said:
On the issue of Trade War he fucked up good but we still have a window of opportunity of say a month or so to change course.
On the issue of World Peace he still performs better than Biden, Trump’s “Russia” is Iran, it looks bad, but we aren’t there yet.
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Once again what a load of horse shit. Trump has cratered the economy and is en route to cause a recession. A million times worse than Biden ever was (who, in case you forgot, managed to turn around the economy from Trump's first administration).
And no, Trump is objectively worse for "World Peace" than Biden. You blame Biden for wars he didn't start. Trump has already launched attacks, despite claiming to be a president of peace AND he has threatened multiple further wars and annexations.

Is it really so difficult to be honest for a single minute of your life instead of blatantly lying through your teeth? lmao
 
On Gaza he is doing way worse than Biden. Houthis =Iran, already mentioned it as a bad performance but it just started.
Ukraine wise though I regard it as a breakthrough that at least he did the obvious and started to engage with Russia. No need to be friends not even agree, but for fuck’s sake at least to talk to each other. It can release tensions for sure and in time things might get better. It might.
But you demonize the adversary as devil and Hitler things will only get worse, that’s the difference. So yes, better than Biden overall for World Peace.
 
____no5 said:
Ukraine wise though I regard it as a breakthrough that at least he did the obvious and started to engage with Russia. No need to be friends not even agree, but for fuck’s sake at least to talk to each other. It can release tensions for sure and in time things might get better. It might.
But you demonize the adversary as devil and Hitler things will only get worse, that’s the difference. So yes, better than Biden overall for World Peace.
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Yeah, let's talk while russia keeps bombing civilians. Kryvyi Rih attack, 9 killed children. And this attack was carried, when Ukraine agreed to ceasefire. russia is mocking and Trump pretends that he does not understand this. Pathetic.
And Houthis, i see for you it's ok what they are doing to ships, etc. Strike 'em back.
 
____no5 said:
On Gaza he is doing way worse than Biden. Houthis =Iran, already mentioned it as a bad performance but it just started.
Ukraine wise though I regard it as a breakthrough that at least he did the obvious and started to engage with Russia. No need to be friends not even agree, but for fuck’s sake at least to talk to each other. It can release tensions for sure and in time things might get better. It might.
But you demonize the adversary as devil and Hitler things will only get worse, that’s the difference. So yes, better than Biden overall for World Peace.
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With regards to Ukraine - I do agree that it is good to have opened negotiations, all wars with this one included inevitably end in a meeting around the table, but the manner in which they have been conducted have been haphazard, replete with u-turns and ultimately unproductive.

All this in the midst of the US alienating her traditional allies and tanking her international credibility with hyperbolic rhetoric (making Canada the 51st state, taking over Greenland, military seizure of the Panama canal etc.) and reckless flip-flopping on tariffs. Given that the Very Stable Genius said he would wrap it up in a day(!) it seems difficult to count this as anything but a big failure, so far.
 
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