World Cup of Maidenfans 2.0: Round of 32 Match 15

Which is the better artist?

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I feel like one to cheer me up anyway...
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CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:
No, Slayer are winning...
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No, if you reverse my voting mistake, the Beatles are.
Variety, melody, innovation, influence, songwriting skill....all Beatles.
Now I like noise as much as the next metalhead, but making noise is about the only thing Slayer did better.
 
Forostar said:
I bet that most people who do not vote for Slayer have never seen them, or have even never witnessed a metal concert by a band that plays more aggressive than Maiden.
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Say what now?

I've seen Slayer live. Unfortunately. With the rest of Big 4.
 
Forostar said:
Maybe some people are underestimating Slayer and their riffs. Slayer had a much more direct influence on metal bands.
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Also, I love the old "IT'S JUST NOISE BECAUSE THERE'S NO MELODY" complaint. Usually accompanied by shaking of the fist and shouting at kids.
 
SixesAlltheway said:
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I've been to many metal concerts, by many bands a lot more extreme than Slayer and I still voted Beatles. It is possible to like The Beatles and metal at the same time you know...:D
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I know. :) I said most.
Perun said:
Influences may not be directly audible. The only way I could imagine actually noticing just what these influences are is by clearing your mind and listening to all the popular music from, say, the fifties onwards chronologically. What was different before and after the Beatles hit the stage? Maybe if I'm old and retired I'm going to do that some day.
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Yes, Beatles were mighty significant also for less "rocking" music (pop) that followed.
Perun said:
I always felt they're a natural progression from songs like Killers, Phantom, Genghis Khan and so forth.
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Killers! Indeed... IMO Killers falls indeed into the Achilles/Mob Rules category (speedy galloping bass) and its indeed older than Mob Rules. It's just that when I play the solo section from The Mob Rules and then The Trooper I really hear how much impact the former could have had on the latter. :)
Alright, Zeppelin's best song could surely have influenced Maiden. Still, (thankfully) I don't hear much other Zeppelin in Maiden unless it could be stuff like Prodigal Son (??). I hear Wishbone Ash, Genesis and Tull (and probably more bands) more clearly in Maiden.

Perun said:
That's what the poll's question is. :p I prefer listening to Slayer to listening to the Beatles, so it's clear to me.
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That's the way I treat these games: my own favourite. I am pretty sure mckindog treats the game as such as well (correct me if I am wrong).
 
Luke said:
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Also, I love the old "IT'S JUST NOISE BECAUSE THERE'S NO MELODY" complaint. Usually accompanied by shaking of the fist and shouting at kids.
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No. It's just noise because it's just noise. Excuse me but I can't stand Kerry King and late Jeff Hanneman wanking with whammy bars, Tom Araya talking his way through the lyrics, songs that sound exactly the same, the moments where you can't even tell what the hell is the band actually playing. Dave Lombardo was the only good thing about Slayer. And a couple of songs that are actually enjoyable.
 
Because speed makes everything great, right? A true heavy metal way of thinking right there. Too bad there are falses like me who just want to ruin all the fun.
 
That was meant to be humoristic. (Still, this speed seriously influenced lots of bands metalheads like).
Anyway, I'm fine if the Beatles go through, I like them.
 
Now I'd like a video of Paul McCartney saying that he likes Slayer. ;)


By the way, Araya makes a mistake:
@5.17 The kids ask about music that scared him and then he talks about a movie!
Probably too deaf. :)
 
The Beatles are an odd band for me to really think about in general. I recently saw a quote (can't recall where from) which is very apt to them for me - "It's not how music sounds, it's how it makes you feel". TBH I find the Beatles rather unimpressive and somewhat repetitive, I don't really get any enjoyment out of them even though I can sing along to a fair deal... but, they do have a few songs which really make me feel something (the obvious culprits such as Yesterday), however that isn't really that hard to do with a sad song - it takes far more to make me feel something with an upbeat song. The other thing in their favor is that I can accept the influence on music they have had, even if I disagree with it.

Slayer on the other hand, I have seen live and I have given more than one attempt at listening to various albums/songs... and I just don't enjoy it at all. I don't get much from the Beatles, but it is still more than I get from Slayer. There is the odd little riff here and there I have enjoyed but it is few and far between.

As Foro put it in the UFO vs Zep topic, this is between "Meh and Irritation" for me, and Meh wins.


EDIT: I agree with Flash on the fast means nothing sentiment. And the whole "the speed influenced a lot of other bands" makes no difference to me, as the speed is quite frequently the thing I dislike in a LOT of bands. If anything the speed makes it worse to me, because it makes it harder to distinguish the individual notes, melodies etc. Speed can be good sometimes, but not when the sound of one note blurs into the next so much that the speed is literally WHY I (occasionally) call it noise.
 
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I was gonna continue to reply to stuff on here, but Flash and Crimson have literally explained exactly how I feel about both of these bands (and Slayer in particular).
 
The Flash said:
No. It's just noise because it's just noise. Excuse me but I can't stand Kerry King and late Jeff Hanneman wanking with whammy bars, Tom Araya talking his way through the lyrics, songs that sound exactly the same, the moments where you can't even tell what the hell is the band actually playing. Dave Lombardo was the only good thing about Slayer. And a couple of songs that are actually enjoyable.
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Ever heard of one Eddie Van Halen? Infinitely more "wanking with whammy bars." Which, why exactly is that a bad thing anyway. Dive bombs rule, bro.
Talking through lyrics? I don't even..
And sure, their songs sound similar, but that's what happens when you find a good formula.

the moments where you can't even tell what the hell is the band actually playing
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That's the best part, dude. Cacophony is metal as fuck.


Tell me this song sounds exactly the same as Raining Blood, Angel of Death, etc. They've still had their own progression over the years.
 
Luke said:
Ever heard of one Eddie Van Halen? Infinitely more "wanking with whammy bars." Which, why exactly is that a bad thing anyway. Dive bombs rule, bro.
Talking through lyrics? I don't even..
And sure, their songs sound similar, but that's what happens when you find a good formula.



That's the best part, dude. Cacophony is metal as fuck.


Tell me this song sounds exactly the same as Raining Blood, Angel of Death, etc. They've still had their own progression over the years.
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Okay, so that made up my mind. The Beatles.
 
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