WHY did they strip-down the sound for No Prayer??

Nah, I like it a lot. One of the few songs on Fear I can enjoy.
 
Good, I'm glad I'm not alone. It may be a power ballad, but holy shit is it amazing. I honestly think it might be Bruce's best recorded vocal performance.
 
MrKnickerbocker said:
Good, I'm glad I'm not alone. It may be a power ballad, but holy shit is it amazing. I honestly think it might be Bruce's best recorded vocal performance.
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Well, maybe not one of the best ever but very emotional and powerful for sure.
 
I always just found it to be rather saccharine, by no means near the heights of a "Fade to Black" or "Beyond the Realms of Death", or by the same band, a "Hallowed be Thy Name" or "Remember Tomorrow". Maybe I should give it another listen though.
 
EddieoftheOpera said:
I always just found it to be rather saccharine, by no means near the heights of a "Fade to Black" or "Beyond the Realms of Death", or by the same band, a "Hallowed be Thy Name" or "Remember Tomorrow". Maybe I should give it another listen though.
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It's definitely outside of Maiden's normal wheelhouse, but I love it for what it is. Hallowed Be Thy Name is an epic song, so I wouldn't really compare the two. The only songs with even a slightly similar composition style to Wasting Love are Remember Tomorrow, Children of the Damned, and Coming Home, and I'd argue that it's far better than the first, as good as or better than the last, and not as good as Children.
 
For me, put of the shadows are the one most similar. I really loved wasted love when it was released, it was one of my favourites on that record together with afraid... nowadays it doesn't give as much, still a good song but not one that ever ends up on my playlists.
 
Out of the shadows is closer to children of the damned imo.I thik co o estais amigos is more similar
 
Wasting Love = great vocals and very sweet Janick solo, very unlike him, but simple and nice.
 
Assassin always reminded me of some kind of metalized Andrew Lloyd Webber, especially the chorus. And oddly I don't mind it, though it's not really what one expects from Iron Maiden.

I actually had to look No Prayer for the Dying up to find out what songs were on it. Quite unremarkable. I usually skip most of them as soon as they get shuffled onto my playlist.

I occasionally listen to Bring your daughter. I remember that getting #1 in the UK top 10 and buying the vinyl picture disk sometime around Christmas when it was released. Was quite chuffed to see Iron Maiden at the top of the charts for a while and getting some broadcast time on TV. Difficult times for me as a kid having just finished school and starting 6th form college.

My wife became an Iron Maiden fan despite a lifetime of Disney soundtracks. I tend to skip Slaughter when she is around since the lyrics make me cringe when typically the songs are a bit more interesting.
 
Seriously! The chorus of the assassin compared to Andrew Lloyd Webber??! That is good stuff: "better watch out..better watch out" hilarious to picture the assassin as a goofy stage play. Interesting take. ... Lol.
 
EddieoftheOpera said:
See I always hated that term, even though most of the time I have know choice but to use it due to it's popularity. Some of the earlier bands like Motley Crue had a meatier sound but there was no trace of metal in hair metal by the end of the 80s, and I argue there was very little in there to begin with. I prefer the term cock rock.
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Eh... This makes very little sense to me. What exactly is "metal" to you anyway? The attitude? Anti-commercialism? Dokken, Europe and other acts commonly categorized among the hair metal movement rocked as heavy as Iron Maiden or Priest ever did. You'll find the best musicians of the decade among those glam acts. Sorry to say it, but Murray & Smith had nothing to put up against the likes of Lynch, DeMartini, Marcello or Norum.
 
Maturin said:
Eh... This makes very little sense to me. What exactly is "metal" to you anyway? The attitude? Anti-commercialism? Dokken, Europe and other acts commonly categorized among the hair metal movement rocked as heavy as Iron Maiden or Priest ever did. You'll find the best musicians of the decade among those glam acts. Sorry to say it, but Murray & Smith had nothing to put up against the likes of Lynch, DeMartini, Marcello or Norum.
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I'm not arguing quality here, i'm arguing genre tag. Bands like Poison and Bon Jovi were essentially pop acts with fuzzy guitars, and Motley Crue though they rocked hard and i'd understand a little more why they'd be called metal were super polished up and edgeless. Guns N' Roses were commendable for bringing rock music back to the gutter but stylistically they weren't that different to 70s Aerosmith. Really what metal requires is thickness of guitar tone (lacking the muddy, mid-boosted feel of most 70s rock), a very precise, rhythmical attack, and a vocalist with immense power and seriousness. It's all about different ways of generating excitement. Those bands though were just too different, and i'm far from being alone on this. You may disagree, but whether it ever makes sense to you or not, i'd like to think my opinion is pretty valid, just as much as yours.
 
Maturin said:
You'll find the best musicians of the decade among those glam acts.

Sorry to say it, but Murray & Smith had nothing to put up against the likes of Lynch, DeMartini, Marcello or Norum.
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I probably don't agree that the Maiden guys had nothing to put up against these people, but that's still only 4 people.
 
EddieoftheOpera said:
Bands like Poison and Bon Jovi were essentially pop acts with fuzzy guitars, and Motley Crue though they rocked hard and i'd understand a little more why they'd be called metal were super polished up and edgeless.
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It's your dismissal of a whole genre tag that I don't agree with - and especially not on the basis of these two acts, who were indeed popular but not very typical. Poison are essentially ridiculed from within the genre, and Bon Jovi was always more of a pop act than metal.
 
I"m not really fond of any of the hair metal or thrash stuff that grew out of America. I guess I started and finished with the new wave bands of my childhood. Iron Maiden for me are the best of the bunch. Been following them since I was a teenager and could make it out to Donnington and Hammersmith with a few other metal kids on our own.

I still listen to a lot of older stuff like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, some ACDC, Judas Priest.

I also like a lot of classical and opera which I feel Maiden has a lot in common with when they do their more sophisticated tunes, combined with Dickinsons vocal range. Somehow Maidens tunes always feel upbeat and energetic to me, with good melodies. interesting timing. None of that harsh guttural angry stuff that seems quite typical today. I'd rather listen to some 70's rock and 80's pop music Like Duran Duran.

I think it's cool that there is so much variety out there for those that want it. Still like the British stuff best, some of that might be because that's where I spent my first 27 years. I do still like Guns and Roses though lol.
 
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