Very ignorant comment

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TFF

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Found this while searching the internet and thought i would share.

Why do metal fans hate metalcore?

i've heard its the mainstream genre,but whenever i ask someone about it they admit that they've haven't heard about it before.........so anytime i play a metalcore song, my friends get disgusted and say its utter crap which is all because of the screaming(in which in some cases they are right)...they really miss the cool and creative breakdowns...if you listen to it, you'll find a lot of interesting riffage, time changes, melodies and harmonies and cool clean vocals, and it's really heavy as hell...its all better than the 80s crap Metalica,megadeth,iron maden,black sabbath whom my friends and all the people are realy into.....its obvious that you can hear a differance in sound quality........man their songs sound really horrible,back then the instruments and amps were really shity........

80's crap REALLY !?!? :o  :o  :o
 
I'm going to make a thread about every negative comment on Maiden I can find too!
 
So it's some guy who can't even spell properly who prefers metalcore to 80's metal. Why care?
 
Yeh some people i find just have issues with the area of the brain that processes sound. (Some may argue i have a similar problem if they view my Countdown topic  :lol:). But yeh i learn to group them as fans of a uniquely different genre like pop or rap, in my experience they seem to think that because they listen to such heavy 'hardcore' music it in some way makes them more masculine  :huh:  they also tend to troll other genres.
 
To each his own, I guess...tastes aren't debatable, but sound itself is an area of engineering, which we can debate. And the fact is that '70s and '80s records sound, in most cases, way better than current ones, have better dynamics, etc.
So there you go - we can shit on his statements with scientific fact.
 
Zare said:
To each his own, I guess...tastes aren't debatable, but sound itself is an area of engineering, which we can debate. And the fact is that '70s and '80s records sound, in most cases, way better than current ones, have better dynamics, etc.
So there you go - we can shit on his statements with scientific fact.
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The sound itself is, to a large extent, a matter of taste as preference as well.

That being said, saying that 80's records sound like shit it... Yeah it's bullshit. Some of the absolute best work, to me, is from the 80's. I do however think that you're exaggerating a bit, by saying "way" and "most".
 
one thing i find with recent acts is the studio recordings are way over 'studioed...' and dont have that live sound. for me it doesnt sound as special as a real sound reording, plus it adds to disappointment as it makes the live shows seem horrid.
 
Tron said:
one thing i find with recent acts is the studio recordings are way over 'studioed...' and dont have that live sound. for me it doesnt sound as special as a real sound reording, plus it adds to disappointment as it makes the live shows seem horrid.
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Yes. The intent and purpose of albums have changed over the past 40 or so years. Way back, you were supposed to just catch the artists on tape. Now you're rather creating it as a piece of architecture, or art rather than just capturing what's already there.
 
Yax, take a #1 album from any chart (rock, pop, etc...) from any day of 1975, 1985 and 2005, run a frequency analysis, and you'll see what I mean. I'm sure you are quite familiar with terms of overcompression, loudness wars, etc. 
 
Zare said:
Yax, take a #1 album from any chart (rock, pop, etc...) from any day of 1975, 1985 and 2005, run a frequency analysis, and you'll see what I mean. I'm sure you are quite familiar with terms of overcompression, loudness wars, etc.  
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I'm perfectly aware of what you mean. I just think you're overstating it - Comparing 80's to present, I mostly agree with you - Although, in genres like Metal, heavy compression doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing - Or a good thing. Depends on how it fits the music Smooth jazz and classical (you do compress a bit in classical but not much), yeah. But saying that most 70's records are WAY better than present is a bit of a stretch. They are, to me, better in some regards and lacking in some. Take the first Sabbath album for example. It sounds good for sure, although I don't like having the one guitar panned heavily to the left (especially the title track. It sounds great). But it doesn't stand out as far superior to, say, Brave New World. For instance, you can hear the hiss fairly well and I'm not that fond of the toms. I also head something that sounded like clipping on and individual track too. You'll have to look hard to find clipping nowadays (Death Magnetic excluded  :P) BNW -  I think that's a great sounding modern album - Yeah, it's fairly compressed, but I think it fits the music - Besides, being young I'm used to heavy compression (thanks, loudness war). That being said, you can surely tell a difference between a modern and a 70's record. Whether the change is good or bad depends on the context of the music and what you prefer as a listener. Some might find 70's drums to be dated and modern BR00TAL Metal drums to be superior while the other guy might think modern drums are overly compressed, triggered and lacks the subtlety of roomy 70-80's drums. Neither are wrong. It's a matter of point of view and preference.

What I'm saying is that it is, after a point (Death Magnetic is terrible. It is distorted. That's not subjective, but a fact that it's distored), subjective.

Trivia: Black Sabbath was recorded with old strings and half smashed drumsticks - They couldn't afford new strings.

Note: British Steel is probably my favorite Metal album when it comes to the production - The original pressing. It's perfect.
 
Vap said:
I'm going to make a thread about every negative comment on Maiden I can find too!
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I didn't make for the fact that Iron Maiden's name was in it. I made it for the fact that new metal fans disregard everything that classic metal bands helped to create and shape.
 
TFF said:
I didn't make for the fact that Iron Maiden's name was in it. I made it for the fact that new metal fans disregard everything that classic metal bands helped to create and shape.
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Yeah, but that's not the point.
 
While we discuss compression and loudness war - do the irons have multiple versions of their albums? (Like remasters and such). I mostly listen to them from PC and mp3 player, so I'm not sure if the music I have is the original mastering, or some new and without dynamic.
 
mtmccox said:
While we discuss compression and loudness war - do the irons have multiple versions of their albums? (Like remasters and such). I mostly listen to them from PC and mp3 player, so I'm not sure if the music I have is the original mastering, or some new and without dynamic.
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If you can't tell the difference/don't think it sounds bad then you're not missing out.

Besides, if you're listening with crappy headphones or PC speakers then that's a bigger problem as far as I'm concerned, or too low volume. Bad headphones will not give you the correct frequency curve = Not the experience the producer/engineer/artist intended for you. And don't get me started on a crappy room. It's hilarious how some self appointed audiophiles spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on gear and listen to them in a basement with concrete walls and floor....

Besides, 8 db dynamics range in this day and age is not too bad when all instruments are playing. Check the latest Halford Live Album for minimal dynamics...
 
My PC speakers are shitty indeed, so you're right.
The headphones I use are PortaPro, some people say the have too much low frequencies, but they sound good to me. Of course it's not a studio Sennheiser stuff, but I can't wear the big monitors while outside/traveling etc.
 
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