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Cat Milk Supreme
Ancient Mariner
Genuine, important and on topic question, in America when you say 'gas' does that cover diesel and petrol? And what do you call actual gas, like natural gas that would heat homes, for example?
Round my way (Ireland) gas for heating homes is called gas and we differentiate between petrol and diesel when filling up the car.
No shade, just a genuine and long held anthropological query.
Round my way (Ireland) gas for heating homes is called gas and we differentiate between petrol and diesel when filling up the car.
No shade, just a genuine and long held anthropological query.
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
When you say “gas” it depends on the context. If you’re talking about it in the context of the vehicle, then it’s short for “gasoline” (petrol). If you’re talking about it in the terms of cooking and heating, then it’s natural gas. Sorta like how we also differentiate with context between pepper and pepper, black pepper or the pepper fruits/vegetables instead of calling them something like “capsicum”.
I would not refer to diesel as “gas” for the reason that “gas” is just short for “gasoline”. Also because if you fill up your diesel engine with gas you’re gonna see some serious shit.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Did you find this out the hard way?
Cat Milk Supreme
Ancient Mariner
So if you need diesel you would say "I require some diesel, yo" amma right?
I think this is a cert.Did you find this out the hard way?
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
Couldn't tell you that part as I've never had a diesel-powered car, but, I'd imagine?
But in terms of the term 'gas', I think it's easy to pick apart what the context is. "I'm going to go fill up on gas" easily implies gasoline for the car, but "Just got the gas bill, it's exorbitant" would imply something about the natural gas to the house.
Don't get me started on soda vs pop vs cola. Now those will be fighting words.
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
Don’t you mean soft drinks?
No lol, but a long time ago I watched a rerun of Emergency with my grandpa where some idiot filled a car ferry’s diesel tank with gasoline, and ever since then I have been paranoid about never making that mistake myself lmao.Did you find this out the hard way?
Cat Milk Supreme
Ancient Mariner
Yah, I get the contextualisation of the matter, I was more just wondering what Diesel called diesel and if there was a different name for gas(oline) and natural gas. Like, on the tv I've heard American folk differentiate between propane and butane etc. Here we just call it all gas. For my camping stove? Gas. For my mother's kitchen cooker? Gas. For the central heating in my house? Gas. The context differentiates.Couldn't tell you that part as I've never had a diesel-powered car, but, I'd imagine?
But in terms of the term 'gas', I think it's easy to pick apart what the context is. "I'm going to go fill up on gas" easily implies gasoline for the car, but "Just got the gas bill, it's exorbitant" would imply something about the natural gas to the house.
Don't get me started on soda vs pop vs cola. Now those will be fighting words.
Re the beverages, ooooh, this is a new one on me. Like I just assumed it was personal preference, I wasn't aware of any linguistic battle lines being drawn. If someone said soda or pop to me I would take it to mean the genre of beverage that we call fizzy drinks or mineral which can be any carbonated soft drink. Cola is cola and we only really use that word to talk about cola flavoured things like confectionery or ice lollies.
____no5
Free Man
Trump yesterday said that he stopped 8 wars (yeah right) and there's a ninth (Iran!) to come.
With his logic the moment he pulls out of Iran, an unprovoked war that he started he would had stopped another war!!
I have no words.
**Note that one of those "eight" wars was the Iran -Isreal conflict in June!!
Two other (Democratic Republic of the Congo – Rwanda & Thailand – Cambodia) restarted, Egypt -Ethiopia was never a war, Israel -Hamas "peace" is a travesty anyway, India -Pakistan peace was not really brokered by the US.
So there's only Armenia – Azerbaijan and Serbia – Kosovo, except that the latter was never a war.
With his logic the moment he pulls out of Iran, an unprovoked war that he started he would had stopped another war!!
I have no words.
**Note that one of those "eight" wars was the Iran -Isreal conflict in June!!
Two other (Democratic Republic of the Congo – Rwanda & Thailand – Cambodia) restarted, Egypt -Ethiopia was never a war, Israel -Hamas "peace" is a travesty anyway, India -Pakistan peace was not really brokered by the US.
So there's only Armenia – Azerbaijan and Serbia – Kosovo, except that the latter was never a war.
____no5
Free Man
Speaking of which.
So far there are at least 4 US aircrafts downed, 3 by "friendly fire", the 4th just magically crashed by itself. USS Henry Ford just caught fire, again by itself and USS Lincoln's rumours to be hit by missiles are barely mentioned. Nevertheless she is leaving now and will be replaced by USS Bush. There are hardly any pictures or even mentions in the media of Isreal being hit daily by missiles.
And I don't mean the US and Israeli media, it's logic that there's a censoring in case of Isreal and covering in case of US.
But even the western mainstream media follow the same patterns as if they were an extension of US.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Yeah, they, as in the ones primarily focused on domestic news, tend to source much of their global news from the American press such as AP or politico, as they are deemed credible. It is a news culture and organization thing, so other coverage is slower. It is why it took months before the Epstein allegations the DoJ pulled that was all over independent media made its way to the press over here. It made its way here after it was reported through Politico.
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____no5
Free Man
I renewed my subscription to New York Times a few days before the war and instantly regretted when after the first bombings there were dozens of photos and reporting in their website of how the Iranians "flooded the streets" celebrating Khamenei's death. This was not a paper of reference anymore, but regime change tactics in unison.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
It's true though that many are. That's a fact. And it is equally true millions are mourning his death and are outraged. And that's how desinformation works nowadays - you promote half-truths, or lies with nuggets of truth, rather than flat out lies. Like Russia's desinformation campaign about rats in France consisted of amplified (through social media) half-truths coupled with fabrications, which results in a defacto lie, but a more credible lie than a sole fabrication. Flat out lies don't work anymore - they only work for those who want to believe them.
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____no5
Free Man
Sure, but the way they presented it was completely misleading and we’re talking about The New York Times here.
When watching those videos, you would think the entire country was celebrating. Yet in the following days it became clear that people had actually closed ranks and mourned, with millions flooding the streets despite the bombings.
Plus I don’t think I would go out into the streets during a bombing campaign, so seeing those crowds supporting their government impressed me.
In retrospect, it made the videos from the first day look even more ugly and biased.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Yep, and particularly in a Trump USA, you can count on the media being partially muzzled (on top of willingly towing the line to an extent in the case of war as in the early days of the Iraq invasion), because of Trump waging war on them for 10 years and MAGA Oligarchy aiding him in keeping the media on a bit of a leach. Washington Post isn't operating freely anymore, as their owner Jeff Bezos has actively interfered with both opinion and reporting. CNN's 60 minutes is controlled by a Trump loyalist. Hell, Trump's friend Ellison owns like 30 media companies. Trump's friends control Facebook, X, Tik-Tok and almost all major TV networks. If you report things the Trump administration don't like, you may get punished and lose access to the administration (ffs, Hegseth banned photographers from two briefings because he didn't like two pics of him that were published), or worse lose licenses and get sued for billions of dollars.
Welcome to Trump-world. It's great, isn't it?
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____no5
Free Man
It’s awful, but when it comes to world peace, nearly every U.S. administration since Reagan has pursued policies that lead to war. It’s not really about who is at the helm; there is a continuity of agenda. That’s why I once placed my hopes in Trump. Perhaps that’s even why there was an assassination attempt against him, though he ultimately proved to be as dangerous as any of the others, if not the worst. A psychopath really.
The course of U.S. foreign policy is shaped less by presidents than by institutions such as the CIA, the military-industrial complex, major think tanks, and long-serving officials like Richard Haass, who operate in the background across multiple administrations. Long-term foreign policy strategies are rarely challenged by presidents, unless you are someone like Kennedy, and we all know how that ended.
What is happening now with Iran has been in the works for at least the past twenty years and, in Netanyahu’s case, arguably for forty. A paper written almost two decades ago reads today like a textbook for what we are seeing unfold now.
