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UpTheIrons said:
Likewise. I have only had brief forays into this thread but I can see why other posters have given up on it when seeing the extreme views of many who would ironically categorise themselves as being on the kind and compassionate side of politics. And to think these people still can't figure out why their side is losing elections the world over. But, alas, they will bury their heads in the sand, blame the 'literal Nazis and fascists' (the threshold for this qualification seems to be getting lower by the year) and call everyone who disagrees with them morons or, worse still, claim the world is a better place when people who disagree with them are killed.
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I can imagine I'm one of those on your ignore list, but in case I'm not:

Charlie was a fucking nazi, that's not up for debate. Look at what he was saying. He was a white supremacist. He was an anti-semite. He was preaching hate against every minority. He was advocating for the violent eradication of trans individuals.

Educate yourself on the paradox of tolerance instead of clutching your pearls just because people aren't mourning over a genuinely evil human being dying.

Edit: Also it's fucking rich to claim the posts in this thread were extreme, while actively downplaying the legacy of a literal far right extemist. None of Kirk's viewpoints are even close to being mainstream. All his positions were extreme.

Provocative question: Would you have posted this comment if Hitler died and people were happy about said death?
 
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MrKnickerbocker said:
The fact that we’ve had pages and pages of triggered discourse over the assassination of a non-elected Conservative citizen and not one single centrist/conservative on here had literally anything to say about the assassination of a sitting Democratic representative Melissa Hortman (and her husband) says it all.
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You’ve said nothing about the countless times peaceful Ukrainians were killed by russian attacks—so your argument is, at the very least, pathetic.
And as for Melissa Hortman—it's infuriating what happened to her. Are you happy now, schmuck?
 
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To those who try to shame us for being indifferent to an evil person dying, I've noticed that none of you ever actually share any clips of him. You say that he was only interested in debate, that he was killed for his "opinions". Well, skip to the 17 minute mark to see a collection of his "opinions":

 
srfc said:
Who killed this guy? Not sure you can know this until someone has been arrested and their motives outlined.
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Considering that the FBI was gutted by Trump and the remnants are being run by a moronic magat stooge I think the chances of the shooter being caught are diminishing by the hour.

Which suits them perfectly since they can continue blaming "the left" for as long as possible.
 
MrKnickerbocker said:
Every act of gun violence has something to do with arms control. It’s been two days and you’re already saying, “yeah, but not THESE guns.”
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I'm also for gun control and yes you are probably right, but not that the guy took what he deserved because this particular assassination has nothing to do with that as some people here paint it to be =he took what he was searching for type of thing.

Knicker. They killed the guy in front of his family man. Whatever his views are, he was debating. Which is as democratic and civilised as anything. How anybody can cheer for such a death, it sickens me.
 
UpTheIrons said:
On this, I must say as a non-American this event did not have the same wall-to-wall media coverage as the Charlie Kirk assassination and I was not aware that it had occurred.
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This is partially my point. It barely made a blip. A sitting politician was murdered. Her husband was murdered. But she was on the “wrong side” and the supposedly left-wing media I keep hearing about barely ran a headline. But a private citizen with millions of social media followers on the “right team” gets days of national coverage, flags at half mast, and a medal of freedom. It’s sickening.

Azas said:
You’ve said nothing about the countless times peaceful Ukrainians were killed by russian attacks—so your argument is, at the very least, pathetic.
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I’m not posting in that thread, am I? And for the record: Putin is a war criminal and a piece of utter shit.
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They killed the guy in front of his family man. Whatever his views are, he was debating. Which is as democratic and civilised as anything. How anybody can cheer for such a death, it sickens me.
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I haven’t cheered and I have said that such a matter of execution is despicable. It’s beyond awful that his family had to witness that and it’s disgusting that it happened on a school campus.

I can still think he was a garbage human being. I can feel bad about the way he died without trying to force myself to find the good in someone who spread hate everywhere he went.
 
____no5 said:
Common sense man. Almost certainly this was a hit.
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They have a guy in custody now, Tyler Robinson, 22 from Utah. Doesn't look much different on the surface now to the guy who shot Trump, or any of the countless other school shootings. Just a troubled kid with access to weapons that he shouldn't have.

EDIT: this guy can barely buy a beer but is able to buy the weapons and be trained to shoot like that
 
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srfc said:
They have a guy in custody now, Tyler Robinson, 22 from Utah. Doesn't look much different on the surface now to the guy who shot Trump, or any of the countless other school shootings. Just a troubled kid with access to weapons that he shouldn't have.

EDIT: this guy can barely buy a beer but is able to buy the weapons and be trained to shoot like that
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A 30-06 bolt action (if that's indeed the weapon) is a rather standard hunting rifle. Plenty of hunting areas out in Utah, so I imagine they're rather commonplace. Now if this were a straight up AR-15 assault rifle that was recovered, yes, that's a problem.

Note of semi-relevance, I suppose - My family's more crossbow hunters and I wouldn't necessarily say I'm pro-hunting, but I understand the ecological necessity of it.
 
srfc said:
They have a guy in custody now, Tyler Robinson, 22 from Utah. Doesn't look much different on the surface now to the guy who shot Trump, or any of the countless other school shootings. Just a troubled kid with access to weapons that he shouldn't have.

EDIT: this guy can barely buy a beer but is able to buy the weapons and be trained to shoot like that
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Looks like his father turned him into the police.

Flaming Blimp Crash said:
A hit implies murder for hire or done professionally.
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Yes, it's what I thought.
 
Flaming Blimp Crash said:
You didn't think was conspiracy when an ex-president and then presumptive nominee for the Republican ticket was shot, but a Republican-aligned talking head gets shot and there is one?
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In Butler the killer was killed on the spot, whereas in this case it looked as if he would vanish. In Butler's case, the way it happened to have conspiracy it would meant US government was involved which makes it more difficult at least for me to believe.
 
____no5 said:
In Butler the killer was killed on the spot, whereas in this case it looked as if he would vanish. In Butler's case, the way it happened to have conspiracy it would meant US government was involved which makes it more difficult at least for me to believe.
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Trump had a Secret Service detail whereas Kirk did not. Just because the Butler shooter was immediately killed doesn't mean there wouldn't have been conspiracy.

Also, what?
 
MrKnickerbocker said:
If you’re seriously considering the idea that someone paid to have Charlie Kirk shot on Wednesday, you should also pay attention to when Senate Republicans voted not to release The Epstein Files.
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Epstein Files case stinks no doubt.
I dislike a big portion of Trump's presidency, so don't expect me to support blindly everything he or Republicans do. Having said that, I still pick him over Biden, worlds apart.
 
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