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While I don't agree with "Death to Israel, Death to America" historical context is important.
There are countless countries that have suffered due to American intervention, have had their (often democratically elected!) governments violently overthrown. The CIA has involved itself in many coups. There are nations and people who associate America purely with the pain and suffering that they endured due to the US. A bit like how the eastern European countries see Russia.

As for the "Death to Israel", yes, there is antisemitism on the left as well. No one can deny that. But you also can't ignore that there are, once again, entire generations that know the state of Israel purely as a military force that continues to destabilize the region. Look at the kids in Gaza who are intentionally starved, who are shot in the genitals by IDF snipers when they thought they were getting aid and food, who have their parents, siblings and friends blown up in front of their eyes. It is absolutely understandable that a person who went through such traumas can grow up resenting and hating the states responsible for the root of that pain.

That said, putting any trust into Twitter accounts without actually googling something yourself in 2025 is misguided at best. Scrolling through that account for a minute shows a very clear anti-Palestinian bias. That's all I'll say on this matter.

I stand by what I mentioned earlier: Right wing extremism is on the rise and responsible for the majority of terrorist activity. The US is descending into fascism. The rule of law and the Constitution are violated by the ruling administration. A couple of left-wing influencers or activists giving a speech with inflammatory phrases is in no way comparable to what is happening on the right.
 
I agree that whackos on any point in the political spectrum are disturbing but it doesn’t equivocate one side with the other.

The reactionary populist movement in the US has, pardon the term, rat-fucked the US political structure to where this type of news is now “normal.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/23/politics/trump-epstein-maxwell-justice-department-analysis

Now, if either an authoritarian or paradoxically an anarchist radical left gained power, I’d be disturbed about that. But, at least here, the left when in power aren’t anywhere near as extreme as the right have become.
 
I didn’t Google anything about this woman—I’m kind of trusting the Twitter account that posted it. To me, figures like her on the far left seem just as crazy as far-right lunatics.

It seems she supports Palestine. She is definitely pro hamas. Because "death to Israel" thing. So, far left are as bad as far right.
Azas, I want to make sure you know you’re heard on your point that people anywhere on the political spectrum can say and do crazy or inflammatory shit.

I think some of the challenge is balancing political pragmatism, ideals, and the democratic process against extremism and bad optics.

I for one acknowledge that not everyone on the left is a 100% altruistic, good person. Further, some people on the left are downright batshit crazy.

But, I’m also not going to use that to invalidate concepts like public healthcare, equal rights, less economic disparity, etc that the left are for more than the right.

But we do have to be careful that the left looks more like Sweden or Canada and not the USSR at any time during its existence or Barcelona circa 1936.
 
But we do have to he careful that the left looks more like Sweden or Canada and not the USSR at any time during its existence or Barcelona circa 1936.
Lol, Sweden is mini USA at this point. What "Left"? We're going triple down economics, New Public Management, deregulations, privatizations, the world's most extreme school system with tax funded corporate owned schools and less and less social programs.
 
It’s “socialist” by American standards.

I suppose the idea most of us here have of Sweden may not reflect its political reality.

Okay, we’ll stick with Canada. I’ve yet to hear a Canadian complain much beyond nuanced politics there.
There's massive difference between Sweden 2025 and Sweden 2005 and even more compared to the late 80s. I think the public perception of Sweden is that of how it was in the late 80's and 90s (when the transition started to happen).

You know that the education system here is broken when Trump has flaunted copying key aspects of it.
 
There's massive difference between Sweden 2025 and Sweden 2005 and even more compared to the late 80s. I think the public perception of Sweden is that of how it was in the late 80's and 90s (when the transition started to happen).

You know that the education system here is broken when Trump has flaunted copying key aspects of it.
Ouch, that is a bad sign. Yes, Sweden of the 80s and early 2000s is the lasting image here.

Which begs the question: is any country happy with their government right now? Canada and New Zealand seem safe bets.
 
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I’ll also say this, and this may just be part of my American background.

Keeping political beliefs out of it, a lot of people I’ve known who identify as conservative have been fun to hang around as long as we have music, interest in history, sports, or something else in common.

I don’t mean far right conspiracy theory conservatives or MAGA people but the more libertarian kind who don’t hate anyone but want fewer regulations. They’re, in my opinion, misguided politically but also aren’t usually heavy political thinkers. The few who are more academic are focused on economics, foreign policy, etc, but are still tolerant on civil rights.

Lots of old school conservatives I know do not like the big spending bills the current Republican party are pushing through and think the tariffs are dumb. A few have expressed to me that they feel their political party has been hijacked and they’re waiting it out until it goes back to the way it was (sometimes they mean pre-W years). They still won’t vote Democrat, though.
 
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