Jer
'Til Tomorrow
If you consider 3 full years “quickly”.
I think my point’s been made here, and the data supports it. Sorry if you still disagree.
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I think my point’s been made here, and the data supports it. Sorry if you still disagree.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Cute, but your link does not support your assertion in any way lmao
I genuinely don't know how you read this and think that it helps your argument.
Claiming CNN to have been "hard left" is delusional and the burden of proof is on you to prove that. This link does not come close to proving that and in fact disagrees with your original assertion. Maybe you simply have a different definition of "hard left" than everyone else, but the facts are clear that CNN is not and has never been "hard left".
Edit: And to get back on track, my original assertion was that CNN tried to court conservatives and the MAGA crowd. There were even politically motivated firings of journalists who were too critical of Trump during Chris Licht's tenure. To twist this into CNN having been so hard to the left (of MSNBC) and that we are seeing a readjustment is a crude misrepresentation of the data we have and serves as a diversion from the original discussion, which was about an alleged "aversion".
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Jer
'Til Tomorrow
You apparently have issues with reading comprehension, then.
What I actually said was “CNN had tacked so hard to the left a few years back that it had gone past MSNBC and had pretty much flushed its reputation down the toilet.” A relative hard tack to the left, which is borne out by the data from 2015 onward.
Your incorrect framing of my point as somehow pointing to an absolute “hard left” and your assertion that I was “objectively wrong” are the only delusional things on display here.
How about more listening and fewer failed attempts at dunking…?
Biden's Anger at the 'Elites' Is Misplaced
President Biden made a surprise appearance on Morning Joe and reiterated he would not drop out of the presidential race. Said Biden: “I’m getting so frustrated by the elites... the elites in the party who
politicalwire.com
Feels like things are getting very close to a head now.
Jer
'Til Tomorrow
Link above is paywalled.Biden's Anger at the 'Elites' Is Misplaced
President Biden made a surprise appearance on Morning Joe and reiterated he would not drop out of the presidential race. Said Biden: “I’m getting so frustrated by the elites... the elites in the party who
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Biden's Anger at the 'Elites' Is Misplaced
President Biden made a surprise appearance on Morning Joe and reiterated he would not drop out of the presidential race. Said Biden: “I’m getting so frustrated by the elites... the elites in the party who
Feels like things are getting very close to a head now.
Alternative outlet: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/0...e_code=1.5k0.Y4AO.XdTDz3Bc2oLt&smid=url-share
Apologies, didn't realize the paywall.
How about this one:
politicalwire.com
A new Emerson College poll — conducted entirely after the presidential debate — shows Donald Trump leading Joe Biden is all six major swing states:
How about this one:
Trump Leads In Every Swing State
A new Emerson College poll -- conducted entirely after the presidential debate -- shows Donald Trump leading Joe Biden is all six major swing states: Arizona: Trump 46%, Biden 42% Michigan: Trump 45%, Biden 44% Wisconsin: Trump 47%, Biden 44% Nevada: Trump 47%, Biden 41% Pennsylvani
politicalwire.com
A new Emerson College poll — conducted entirely after the presidential debate — shows Donald Trump leading Joe Biden is all six major swing states:
- Arizona: Trump 46%, Biden 42%
- Michigan: Trump 45%, Biden 44%
- Wisconsin: Trump 47%, Biden 44%
- Nevada: Trump 47%, Biden 41%
- Pennsylvania: Trump 48%, Biden 43%
- Georgia: Trump 47%, Biden 42%
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Nah, you simply posted something that doesn't say what you think it says. It has been pointed out to you, multiple times, that your link is about the guests, not the actual content. So, who's the one who should spend a bit more time listening and reading? I guess blatantly lying is easier though.
Which only works under the assumption that CNN and MSNBC have had a large distance on the political spectrum. So, you are either saying that CNN was pretty right wing and shifted left enough to overtake MSNBC, or CNN is in the center but MSNBC is so far left and CNN went hard to the left to overtake MSNBC. That's the only way your framing works and I hope I don't have to point out how none of this makes any sense.
And once again, this ignores the actual point to debate semantics. Due to Chris Licht CNN explicitly tried to appeal to right wingers and the MAGA crowd, which obviously failed spectacularly. Trying to paint that as a return to the center is ludcirous.
How about instead of trying to pick fights over and over again you actually spend a minute of your time on forming coherent arguments that hold up to scrutiny and have a proper logical basis, instead of whatever this nonsense is?
Anyway, back to ignoring you
It all comes back to this central tension of regardless of whether or not Biden is physically/mentally up to the job of this campaign and another term, I don’t see how he can come back from two weeks (and probably more to come) of trying to convince his own party that he shouldn’t withdraw from the race. He may not have had a real primary challenge, but he’s going to go into the general as if he did anyway and will be significantly weaker as a result. He’s losing the PR battle and I see no way out of this short of dropping out.
The one thing I’ll say that is keeping me from saying Biden has no chance of winning (other than the fact that any major party candidate is going to be within spitting distance of an electoral college victory) is the electoral results that we have seen around the world and even in America in 2022 and special elections since 2020. It seems voters are thinking more about the bigger picture to keep fascists and right wing extremists out of office. Trump’s policies may be unpopular enough for Biden to get enough of his voting coalition back together, but again it’s not something I want to rely on.
The one thing I’ll say that is keeping me from saying Biden has no chance of winning (other than the fact that any major party candidate is going to be within spitting distance of an electoral college victory) is the electoral results that we have seen around the world and even in America in 2022 and special elections since 2020. It seems voters are thinking more about the bigger picture to keep fascists and right wing extremists out of office. Trump’s policies may be unpopular enough for Biden to get enough of his voting coalition back together, but again it’s not something I want to rely on.
At this stage, the party needs the most effective mouthpiece for this, and it's becoming clear it can't be Joe Biden. Someone (likely Barack Obama) needs to sit him down and talk him through this.
Jer
'Til Tomorrow
More unsupported horseshit accusations. Color me surprised. I already addressed the other points, but you obviously don’t care about that, since you’re all about extreme posturing instead.
Actually read the chart and what I wrote and it will clear it all up for you.
Has anyone literally choked on irony before? There may be a spot for you yet in the Guinness Book.
Yes, by all means, pat yourself on the back for a job poorly done and then pretend you’ve put me on ignore again. Posturing session complete!Anyway, back to ignoring you
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
As for Biden having Parkinson's:
What about all the visits with the Parkinson's specialist? Well, turns out there was a damn good reason:
www.parkinson.org
That's why I don't put any faith in internet diagnoses by people who have no medical training.
What about all the visits with the Parkinson's specialist? Well, turns out there was a damn good reason:
President Biden Signs Parkinson's Bill into Law
On July 2, President Biden signed the National Plan to End Parkinson’s Act — the first-ever federal legislation dedicated to ending Parkinson’s.
www.parkinson.org
That's why I don't put any faith in internet diagnoses by people who have no medical training.
Well, barring (another) turn of events, it seems like the party is sticking with Biden. Progressive members are coming out vocally in support (AOC, Bernie) and, critically, the congressional black caucus doesn’t appear to be budging at all in their support of Biden. I would say as long as the CBC support holds, there is no way to get Biden out without causing a schism that can’t be fixed. We’ll see what happens. It’s incredible disappointing that congressional leadership doesn’t seem to even be seriously entertaining the conversation that needs to happen.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
There's an all-hands on deck with Democrats in both houses of congress today to figure out the best path forward. Here's the thing, Biden's first truly unscripted opportunity is going to be during a press conference in two days during a NATO conference. The eyes of the world now more than ever are going to be on Biden on Thursday - any little misstep will be amplified. If they publicly announce they're falling in line behind him and then he shits the bed on Thursday, they're really going to be screwed.
Still lot of time before the convention.
In terms of the progressive members falling in line, I think this is a reaction to the fallout of 2016 where progressives were pointed as the reason Hillary lost. I think an analysis of voting trends/lines showed that the people who voted for Bernie in the primary who didn't vote for Hillary weren't exactly Democrats anyway. Will have to dig that up again. If the progressive wing were the holdouts, they'd be blamed yet again.
Still lot of time before the convention.
In terms of the progressive members falling in line, I think this is a reaction to the fallout of 2016 where progressives were pointed as the reason Hillary lost. I think an analysis of voting trends/lines showed that the people who voted for Bernie in the primary who didn't vote for Hillary weren't exactly Democrats anyway. Will have to dig that up again. If the progressive wing were the holdouts, they'd be blamed yet again.
Didn't the meeting happen already?
We'll see what happens, I agree there are plenty of opportunities for Biden to screw up between now and the convention, but it feels to me like the Democratic strategy in these closed door meetings (read: speculation) is less about what to do about Biden and more how to best unify around Biden.
We'll see what happens, I agree there are plenty of opportunities for Biden to screw up between now and the convention, but it feels to me like the Democratic strategy in these closed door meetings (read: speculation) is less about what to do about Biden and more how to best unify around Biden.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
House this morning, Senate either presently or this afternoon.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
Democratic Caucus chairman, Rep. Pete Aguilar, said the focus of the House Democrats’ meeting this morning was not “to get on the same page,” but to discuss the best tactics to beat Donald Trump this November.
At a news conference, Aguilar and Caucus Vice-Chair Rep. Ted Lieu repeatedly sounded alarms about a Trump second term.
Aguilar also said he and his fellow Democrats will be watching Biden’s moves for the duration of the week, including a high-profile news conference he is scheduled to host on Thursday, as further evidence to be considered in the caucus’ calculation of Biden’s viability.
“Let’s see,” Aguilar said, referring to the upcoming events. “Let’s see the press conference. Let’s see the campaign stops. Let’s see all of this because all of it is going to be necessary.”
Aguilar did not expressly endorse Biden, instead opting to support “the Democratic ticket.”
Aguilar also said beating Trump was one of two “twin goals” for Democrats this November, along with “getting 218 votes for Hakeem Jeffries on January 3rd,” to elect him as House Speaker.
Some Democrats in competitive districts and states have been uncertain about publicly expressing full support for the incumbent president for fear it may cost them on election day. Biden has also been consistently polling behind Democrats in competitive statewide Senate races – a gap that many political analysts and lawmakers have deemed untenable.
The caucus chair declined to disclose the contents of conversations he’s had with candidates in vulnerable districts, but he has encouraged them “to just continue to press ahead.”
Spaldy
Ancient Mariner
Personally I've stopped giving a fuck how old and senile he is. It's either him or a psychopathic madman who will start WW3. Anybody with any sense or decency would know who the right person to vote for is.
But then again, it's America. A country where half the population own guns and think that the earth is 6000 years old. I'm not optimistic they're capable of making an informed decision.
But then again, it's America. A country where half the population own guns and think that the earth is 6000 years old. I'm not optimistic they're capable of making an informed decision.