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Why Does Grover Cleveland Count as Two Presidents?
Historians suggest that while Grover Cleveland was but one person, he was actually two presidents thanks to his nonconsecutive terms.
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Why is Grover Cleveland counted twice in the number of U.S Presidents aside from having two non-consecutive terms?
Answer (1 of 6): It seems awkward; Cleveland is both the 22nd and the 24th U.S. President. But it would seem just as awkward, if not more, if he were the 22nd president, and Benjamin Harrison were the 23rd, and then Cleveland were the 22nd again. Ultimately, what is really counted are presidenci...
Why was Grover Cleveland a president twice? - Answers
Cleveland is counted twice because there was a gap between his two terms. he lost his bid for re-election in 1888 but beat the incuimbent, Benjamin Harrison, in 1892 for another term. He both preceded and succeeded Harrison. He won the popular vote in 1888, so it was not so surprising that he...
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Forostar
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President and presidency are different things.
He was not another person.
There were gaps between his terms, but that is not the same as him being a 46nd person or President.
There have not been 46 Presidents. There have been 45.
It is just a historical mistake no one dares to change, because tradition, legacy, whatever.
We've had a X number of World Cups for football, but we have a lesser amount of countries who won them, even if they won more than once, or had more than a decade in between victories.
Iced Earth had several albums but had only one and the same leader.
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srfc
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Should two terms not be counted as two presidencies then?
It's an intentional choice. It is not a mistake.
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
Generally it’s considered to be a presidency no matter the amount of terms. If the same president has two terms, then their presidency just carries over into the new term. In Cleveland’s case, his first presidency ended after the first term because Harrison defeated him, and he had a second presidency after he defeated Benjamin Harrison in 1892. If he had been elected to a third term after that (which presidents could do back then), then his second presidency would have carried on into that third.
None of this is relevant.
Forostar
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This only happened because of some lousy historians. Great reasoning:
“Some historians didn’t want the 22nd president appearing both before and after the 23rd, and also didn’t want [President William] McKinley (who succeeded Cleveland’s second term) to be numbered 24, making it appear he would have been after Benjamin Harrison,” Bendat told Boston.com in an email Friday.
So, there you have it. Don’t let the newscasts fool you, Trump is only the 44th person to be sworn in as president.
“Some historians didn’t want the 22nd president appearing both before and after the 23rd, and also didn’t want [President William] McKinley (who succeeded Cleveland’s second term) to be numbered 24, making it appear he would have been after Benjamin Harrison,” Bendat told Boston.com in an email Friday.
So, there you have it. Don’t let the newscasts fool you, Trump is only the 44th person to be sworn in as president.
Technically, Donald Trump is not the 45th president. He's the 44th.
Trump 45 Screenshots via Twitter It’s a quibble for sure. But as countless broadcasters and chyrons across pronounced Donald Trump the 45th president of the United States on Friday, it’s worth noting a particular distinction:Trump will not be the 45th person to be the country’s president. He’ll...
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Yes, thank you. Some historians include the official historians in the Library of Congress, who made the decision so that people would view the presidency as a linear piece and that a man who lost the presidency was not assumed to be able to come back and continue the term. This is not an issue, it is by design.
Also, it is literally irrelevant to everyone and anyone.
Also, it is literally irrelevant to everyone and anyone.
What the shit does this mean? It's a fucking number, dude. Pull your head out of your butt.
That's really not what I'm irritated about at all.
jazz from hell
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Have you guys heard Lady Gaga? She was good, I thought, got almost a bit emotional during her national anthem.
I feel so relieved - welcome Biden and Harris!
I feel so relieved - welcome Biden and Harris!
The good news is I just created the randomized list for the President's Project and Grover Cleveland will be the second-last president we discuss (Trump will be the last, to give his legacy time to settle).