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.. that said, I think there is a sore need for reform in how we deal with sex based crimes, getting sexual offender on someone's record is life changing in all sorts of bad ways and everyone from "I downloaded a movie on my computer that had someone underage" to "I raped someone" gets put in the same category ... that needs some serious fixing.

But in the Nassar case, the punishment really does fit the crime IMO
 
Yeah, and what's most frightening, sending nudes between highschool kids isn't safe anymore, if they leak kids themselves can be charged for child porn.
 
Zare said:
Yeah, and what's most frightening, sending nudes between highschool kids isn't safe anymore, if they leak kids themselves can be charged for child porn.
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Yeah .. stupid as hell .. and they have that tag the rest of their lives.
 
The most absurd thing is the human-induced artificial "age". Do something today and you're tagged as worst kind of criminal for the rest of your life, do the same thing tomorrow and you're a victim of privacy breach.

This shit happens when you introduce laws based on emotional response and not objective assessment...
 
Zare said:
The most absurd thing is the human-induced artificial "age". Do something today and you're tagged as worst kind of criminal for the rest of your life, do the same thing tomorrow and you're a victim of privacy breach.

This shit happens when you introduce laws based on emotional response and not objective assessment...
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For sure .. like many things/laws .. it started as a "protect the children from everything" deal ... noble goal .. but 1) not really obtainable and 2) they keep expanding to where they make no sense and 3) there is no way laws can keep up with technology.

... and the arbitrary age part is stupid. I know plenty of really responsible 15 year olds and many totally irresponsible 40 year olds.
 
Zare said:
The most absurd thing is the human-induced artificial "age". Do something today and you're tagged as worst kind of criminal for the rest of your life, do the same thing tomorrow and you're a victim of privacy breach.
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I think using an age-gap ruling pertaining to teenage relationships could be beneficial. That way you can prevent a 17 year old being tried for having a relationship with a 15 year old, while also making sure teenagers aren't taken advantage of by older adults. It still wouldn't be perfect, but there is no perfect law for this.

bearfan said:
I know plenty of really responsible 15 year olds and many totally irresponsible 40 year olds.
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Frontal lobe, which affects your judgement, does not stop developing until your early 20s. There's scientific merit to treating the judgement of teenagers differently from an adult. As you said there are exceptions, but they are exceptions nonetheless.

Zare said:
Yeah, and what's most frightening, sending nudes between highschool kids isn't safe anymore, if they leak kids themselves can be charged for child porn.
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This case took place in my high school when I was there. A girl sent the guy he was dating nudes, the guy shared it with his friends and it leaked out. There was a trial period but not sure if the guy got charged. It ended up doing more damage to the reputation of the girl than it did the guy, being the female sexuality hating, victim blaming society Turkey is.
 
The Flash said:
I think using an age-gap ruling pertaining to teenage relationships could be beneficial. That way you can prevent a 17 year old being tried for having a relationship with a 15 year old, while also making sure teenagers aren't taken advantage of by older adults. It still wouldn't be perfect, but there is no perfect law for this.
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I seem to recall they are looking at a similar change here.

The Flash said:
Frontal lobe, which affects your judgement, does not stop developing until your early 20s. There's scientific merit to treating the judgement of teenagers differently from an adult. As you said there are exceptions, but they are exceptions nonetheless.
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I read recently that there is a recommendation to change the definition of adolescence to 24.
 
Age gap could be useful but you'd have to introduce border areas. 19yo male and 13yo girl needs further investigation. Cause maybe they been friends forever and love appeared once the girl got into puberty. Or it's plain abuse. Both of these ages are teens. Even if you reclassify what "teen" or "underage" means, you'll have cases with age extremes in there. These are people stories here, and you know every story is different.

I'm afraid highly involved, individualistic in-depth approach would be needed from the law and order side, if we want things to come out fair. But I guess then all cases would be resolved in a fair way, which is kind of utopia flavoured thinking.
 
The Flash said:
Frontal lobe, which affects your judgement, does not stop developing until your early 20s. There's scientific merit to treating the judgement of teenagers differently from an adult. As you said there are exceptions, but they are exceptions nonetheless.
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I had a big paradigm shift on life when I was 19-20. About education, family life, and relationships. I had several changes of heart about several minor things meanwhile, but the way I think today resembles 20yo and not 18yo me.

Maybe it had partly physiological cause, on the other hand I know tons of people who are, when you get through their todays mask, same assholes like they were 20 years ago.
 
bearfan said:
.. that said, I think there is a sore need for reform in how we deal with sex based crimes, getting sexual offender on someone's record is life changing in all sorts of bad ways and everyone from "I downloaded a movie on my computer that had someone underage" to "I raped someone" gets put in the same category ... that needs some serious fixing.
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Well said. Not everything deserves a witch hunt.
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But in the Nassar case, the punishment really does fit the crime IMO
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It's especially some words the judge used that I did not like.
 
Some remarkable and amusing news:
While the Russians were hacking the Americans, the Dutch were hacking these hacking Russians, finding out they were hacking the Americans and then warned the Americans. (several times: State Dept., The White House, DNC). Anr insight into counter terrorism.


Dutch agencies provide crucial intel about Russia's interference in US-elections
Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service AIVD have provided the FBI with crucial information about Russian interference with the American elections. For years, AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. That's what de Volkskrant and Nieuwsuur have uncovered in their investigation.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/media/dut...ssia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/

 
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Did anyone watch Trump's speech last night? Did you hear all of that stuff that he accomplished in the first 45 minutes or so? How come I've never seen any of that talked about on here?
 
Travis The Dragon said:
Did anyone watch Trump's speech last night? Did you hear all of that stuff that he accomplished in the first 45 minutes or so? How come I've never seen any of that talked about on here?
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Jerusalem the capital of Israel. Great accomplishment, great. Let's make Israel great again lit fire to the Israel-Palestina conflict again.
 
Travis The Dragon said:
Did anyone watch Trump's speech last night? Did you hear all of that stuff that he accomplished in the first 45 minutes or so? How come I've never seen any of that talked about on here?
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Mostly because he was taking credit for which economic matters which he has little factual basis to take credit for. The US is still in the middle of the Obama economy. The big tax change will start the development of the Trump economy.

The only thing that changed was during the campaign, Trump discounted the same numbers that he now uses to pretend he made big differences.
 
So, irrelevant to current conversation, but U.S politics related. An old stand-up colleague of mine started up a blog with a center-left (U.S version of course) leaning bias. He recruited me to write pieces and I got my first one out a week ago. It would be awesome if you guys checked it out and of course commented on the various articles not just mine.

The blog's link is: http://www.bullmoosereview.com/

My first entry is: http://www.bullmoosereview.com/2018/01/the-death-of-experience.html

Hope you guys like it and keep visiting.
 
Onhell said:
So, irrelevant to current conversation, but U.S politics related. An old stand-up colleague of mine started up a blog with a center-left (U.S version of course) leaning bias. He recruited me to write pieces and I got my first one out a week ago. It would be awesome if you guys checked it out and of course commented on the various articles not just mine.

The blog's link is: http://www.bullmoosereview.com/

My first entry is: http://www.bullmoosereview.com/2018/01/the-death-of-experience.html

Hope you guys like it and keep visiting.
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Congrats on the article ... I disagree somewhat .. we really have 2 Presidents in a row with little to no government experience, I think executive experience more important than government experience and that executive experience can happen in the public or private sector.
 
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Congrats on the article ... I disagree somewhat .. we really have 2 Presidents in a row with little to no government experience, I think executive experience more important than government experience and that executive experience can happen in the public or private sector.
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I agree, hence the Reagan reference, I'd like to know more. I assume you mean Obama and I do agree to a degree. He soured on me when he said he wouldn't run for president until his Senate term was up. Not even a year in and he puts his hat in the ring. Public lie #1. I know little of his pre-senate days, but overall I thought he was an OK president. Bush Jr, he was government of Texas, right? He ran a couple of business to the ground, before getting into politics, he's actually grown on me as time passes, much more competent than I originally gave him credit for, still made his classic blunders, but he doesn't deserve the bad rap he got.
 
Obama (and I might be slightly off on the numbers) was briefly in the Illinois State House and spent about half that time running for US Senate and the brief time he was in the US Senate running for President.

Removing Trump from the equation (his personality that is) ... I would make the case that an executive over a large company or some other organization (a huge non profit for example) has a better resume for President that what Obama's resume was. Again, taking the people out of it and just looking at a resume .. which in itself is obviously not the whole story.

Reagan was a bit different, he was governor or California for 8 years ... that in itself is pretty impressive (again just resume wise)

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George W was governor of Texas for 5-ish years .. good resume wise

I do not think he ran any businesses into the ground though, he had one bought out and was a partner in owning the Texas Rangers though a pretty good boom period for the team, both on the field and financially

Edit to the edit .. the energy company did take a hit, but that was the case of about every energy company during the mid to late 80s when the prices dropped through the floor,
 
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