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Albie said:
He completely backed Sanders when he was in the running and dismissed Clinton at the time. When it was just Clinton, he suddenly became a fan. Yes, he's a hypocrite.
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Not hypocrite at all. Completely logical. Someone who wants the best (or least worst) for his country keeps chosing the best (or least worst) option that's left.
 
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Mosh said:
Well Bernie wrote on this in an op ed published today: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/opinion/bernie-sanders-where-the-democrats-go-from-here.html

I think it's possible to help working families while also being environmentally friendly. I don't really disagree with you but it's a complicated issue. If we had other candidates (or at least someone other than Trump) then maybe a substantial discussion on this could've happened. Doesn't help that environmental issues didn't even come up in the debates.
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Thanks for the link. This man keeps giving hope. I hope he'll be fit enough to give 200 percent in the upcoming years. And then we've got another thing coming.

Meanwhile, this terrible omen will become reality soon. Jobs, jobs, jobs, at the cost of....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...y-to-quit-paris-climate-agreement-says-report
 
Forostar said:
Not hypocrite at all. Completely logical. Someone who wants the best (or least worst) for his country keeps chosing the best (or least worst) option that's left.
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That's not how he worded it though. He rambled on and on about how she "changed". That's not choosing the "least worst" option.
 
A lot of Americans don't realize how fucking great and free their country is. You have a long way to go until you seriously need to consider moving out, and I don't think that way becomes a reality any time soon, honestly. Maybe not ever.

It's not perfect, but nowhere is.
 
Forostar said:
Thanks for the link. This man keeps giving hope. I hope he'll be fit enough to give 200 percent in the upcoming years. And then we've got another thing coming.

Meanwhile, this terrible omen will become reality soon. Jobs, jobs, jobs, at the cost of....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...y-to-quit-paris-climate-agreement-says-report
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Well Trump isn't actually going to be bringing jobs back. Bernie still has a senate seat and the past few days seem to indicate that he will have a loud voice for the next two years.
 
Here's what I don't get: why are people trying to force other people to say Trump is my president? If they don't want to think of him that way, what's the big deal? I don't see Theresa May as my PM, neither did I for Cameron, Brown, Blair, etc. And why are Trump supporters labelled as fascist racists? So what if they voted him, doesn't mean they are all nasty evil people. Get several million people with something in common, like the way they voted, and you'll get bad eggs. Remember, not all Clinton supporters are nice people.
 
Albie said:
Here's what I don't get: why are people trying to force other people to say Trump is my president? If they don't want to think of him that way, what's the big deal? I don't see Theresa May as my PM, neither did I for Cameron, Brown, Blair, etc. And why are Trump supporters labelled as fascist racists? So what if they voted him, doesn't mean they are all nasty evil people. Get several million people with something in common, like the way they voted, and you'll get bad eggs. Remember, not all Clinton supporters are nice people.
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This is typical and no matter who won, you would have gotten some pretty close version of this:

you have the supports of the victor doing some gloating, throwing back anything the defeated candidate said about "unifying" the country. In this case Hillary saying how everyone needs to accept the election results

Then you have the losing side not understanding of how everyone could not be as smart and well meaning as them ... so if you did no go their way .. you must be a total moron or whatever

Soon Hillary will go on some late night TV show .. joke about herself a little and her supporters will say "if only that Hillary came out in the election, she would have won" .. followed by a round of blaming the press and everyone but themselves for not getting "that Hillary out there" .. Same thing happened with Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, etc

Then Thanksgiving will roll around and from then up until close to mid January all but the most die hard whack jobs will put all this on the back burner ... it will flare up again close to January 20 .. but not as bad ... then we will get back into the normal political cycle of some people complaining about Trump no matter what he does, some praising him no matter what he does

Edit: Some will say this year is different because Trump is so (insert some version of bad here) and Hillary is so (insert some version of good here) ... but no .. not different .. same as every election.

Also the "if the losing party would have run someone else" .. well maybe, maybe not ... but you never really know because someone else did not get raked over the coals for months on end .. so who know what people would think about that person by now.
 
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People are not just upset because of the persons, also because of the looming consequences. Policy is not something I often hear discussed.
 
People need to calm down a bit. Not one politican fulfills all promises and same will definitely be true for Trump. Of course a lot of the stuff he promised in his campaign is bad, but I'd say majority of it was just bullshit he was spouting to get votes from ignorant people. He already backtracked on a lot of stuff during the campaign.
 
People seem to forget all the President can do is either sign or veto what comes from Congress ... we do not elect dictators and in many ways (especially on domestic policy) a President is much less powerful than say a Prime Minister.

The administration of laws, the President has a decent degree of latitude and it is pretty possible many of the executive orders Obama signed will go by the wayside .. but those never should have been seen as anything but temporary to start with.

Most of his big stuff has to go through Congress and anything that goes through there will change somewhat ... he has a good shot at getting a decent chunk of his tax plan through ... the infrastructure stuff will end up with as many (if not more) Democratic votes that GOP votes, and Health Care reform has an excellent shot at passing (thank God) .. immigration will be mostly an undoing executive orders ... I doubt that will get through Congress, though it would be nice if it did. That is what has a shot at getting through the first 6-8 months .. then we get into the next election cycle.
 
Trump is already backtracking on some stuff. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he will be a good president. He will certainly be memorable. But very soon, things will end up being about what he has or hasn't done, and we'll see if the Trump Coalition will support him.

Still, the Democrats need to use this as an opportunity to expand their operations in places like Kansas and Montana and Texas. They need to target the state legislatures. Right now, the Republicans are very close to being able to pass amendments to the Constitution.
 
I watched that this morning .. but to clarify ... he is not President until January 20. Obama is President until then
 
LooseCannon said:
Trump is already backtracking on some stuff. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he will be a good president. He will certainly be memorable. But very soon, things will end up being about what he has or hasn't done, and we'll see if the Trump Coalition will support him.

Still, the Democrats need to use this as an opportunity to expand their operations in places like Kansas and Montana and Texas. They need to target the state legislatures. Right now, the Republicans are very close to being able to pass amendments to the Constitution.
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It's not even places like that where they have massive minorities ... it is states that are blue/purple that they have to win to get it even close. What hurts is that their bench to find people to run for higher State and Federal offices are pretty thin

State Legislatures (Nebraska is unicameral) on the left, governors on the right.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...state-legislature-change-in-control.html?_r=0



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