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bearfan
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That guy in the video Albie posted is a moron, he is pretty much complaining Johnson is not passing some Libertarian purity test ... if he passed that test he would be polling under 1% like they normally do.
The good thing is he is getting press, because he is polling well, The Washington Post did a state by state poll and he is double digits in most every state, over 15% in half
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-surveymonkey-50-state-poll/2086/
Key for him is still to get into the debates, which he clearly should be in and see if he can turn this into a 33%-33%-33% kind of election
The good thing is he is getting press, because he is polling well, The Washington Post did a state by state poll and he is double digits in most every state, over 15% in half
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-surveymonkey-50-state-poll/2086/
Key for him is still to get into the debates, which he clearly should be in and see if he can turn this into a 33%-33%-33% kind of election
Albie
Keeping an open eye on the Weeping Angels.
He has to be part of the debate. I think it's a shame he isn't. We had TV debates prior to 2010 and they went pretty well. But in 2015, UKIP, Green, etc complained of there exclusion so we ended up with just about everyone and it turned into a bit of a mess which is probably why Cameron chose not to partake.
And you're right about that guy in the video, he does a lot of this stuff to seemingly get people enraged.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
There needs to be a limit, there are probably 10 people that will be on some ballot in some state for President .. but I think the criteria should be somewhere around 5 to 10% in polls and being on enough state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning the election. This year, that would be 4 max , Hillary, Trump, Johnson, and probably Stein (whack job Green candidate). Most years, it would only be 2 (the Republican and the Democrat) and occasionally a 3rd
D
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That pure libertarian system would slip into oligarchy in a second. If you do not have mechanisms against bad people with resources, they're going to team up and undermine the system.
The guy is ranting about carbon tax. So in your liberland a guy buys land estate next to my own, puts up a giant chimney and chokes me to death with emissions. Where's liberty in that one?
Yes the guy is a moron. He might have put a good candidate in the spotlight by consequence, but still...his kind is pushing normal people away from the libertarian camp. I do share a lot of their ideas, but the extreme end has even dumber ideas than national socialists.
The guy is ranting about carbon tax. So in your liberland a guy buys land estate next to my own, puts up a giant chimney and chokes me to death with emissions. Where's liberty in that one?
Yes the guy is a moron. He might have put a good candidate in the spotlight by consequence, but still...his kind is pushing normal people away from the libertarian camp. I do share a lot of their ideas, but the extreme end has even dumber ideas than national socialists.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
You can say that about the extreme end of anything .. and like most hatchet job youtube videos, it is just wrong. On mandatory vaccines, Johnson said he would support them if there were a massive outbreak, I think he said along the zombie apocalypse level ... on carbon tax, he said he liked some of the principles of it, but thought it would be nearly impossible to implement
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
The guy on the video has the most irritating delivery I've ever heard. It's like he's trying to beat you up with his voice.
I've seen a video of him before -it was posted by RTC-, and his delivery was super irritating there as well even though I agreed with most of what he said.
I've seen a video of him before -it was posted by RTC-, and his delivery was super irritating there as well even though I agreed with most of what he said.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
That and anyone that takes a few select and incomplete clips and makes giant extrapolations out of them have zero credibility with me .. even if I agree with their stance. The bad part is that is most of the political "discussion" anymore
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Fact of the matter is both the alt-right and regressive left are toxic, and they dominate all political discussion by hating each other. Libertarians and liberals (and by liberal I don't mean "supporter of the Democratic Party") are the only ones trying to engage in meaningful debates.
Forostar
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The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Agreed %100. It's very naive to think a system completely free of regulations wouldn't turn into a corporatist hellhole. Hell, even with all the regulations United States is very much an oligarchy at this point, completely controlled by the interest of huge corporations.
The fact that you have Hillary Clinton, who's the wife of a former president and received an absurd amount of financial support from Wall Street and Donald Trump, who's a greedy billionaire businessman being the presidential candidates tells you the story. Complete libertarianism has good intentions at its beginnings, it's looking to promote a competitive marketplace where good ideas and hard work can thrive and anybody can get rich. But the truth of the matter is, that doesn't happen. It turns into an oligarchy and the equal opportunity goes out of the window.
Albie
Keeping an open eye on the Weeping Angels.
A corporatists hell hole can only come about by Govt intervention or Govt aide. Which defies what libertarianism is about.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
No, not necessarily. Businessmen can act together. They already have alliances and fraternity type organizations. A deregulated battle between huge corporations would turn into a very ugly struggle that would take dump after dump on the Average Joe. (Possibly bring slavery back into the mix)
Albie
Keeping an open eye on the Weeping Angels.
Businessmen can only really thrive if we give them business or the Govt gives them a helping hand.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Yeah, so? Are you gonna argue that corporations can't manipulate people? They certainly can, they're doing it now.
There's a reason Apple keeps releasing iPhones with only slight improvements. And the marketing is such that you're supposed to feel bad if you own the version from three years ago. If you don't feel bad, they pull out a trick like cutting the support for that version and force you to buy a new one. There are smaller ones too, they recently removed the aux entry from the iPhone to force you into buying their headphones if you lose them.
And this is only one company.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
.. or buy an Android phone
Albie
Keeping an open eye on the Weeping Angels.
In all fairness, no one is forcing any one to buy Apple phones/headphones/etc. If you don't like the way they market their product, don't buy it.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
I own an Android Phone.
That was just an example. Entire mobile phone industry works like that. And I'm not sure "nobody's forcing anybody to buy anything" thing is true anymore. There's definitely a stigma, especially amongst new generation, that comes with owning an "ancient" phone. A lot of jobs require you to have some sort of knowledge of smartphones or tablets. It's not easy to get off the grid.
Those stigmas don't come out of nowhere, it's all marketing strategies that work.
That was just an example. Entire mobile phone industry works like that. And I'm not sure "nobody's forcing anybody to buy anything" thing is true anymore. There's definitely a stigma, especially amongst new generation, that comes with owning an "ancient" phone. A lot of jobs require you to have some sort of knowledge of smartphones or tablets. It's not easy to get off the grid.
Those stigmas don't come out of nowhere, it's all marketing strategies that work.
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D
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This is a very simplistic view of the problem.
Apple is an industry giant and their market share, in current system, allow them to shape laws and technology as they please.
They are now discarding usual headphone jack for some DRM'ed proprietary standard. If they succeed, headphone jack equipped smartphones will become 'niche' in a few years, raising the pricetag.
Do you all remember what Microsoft used to do, what kind of business practice they had, in 1990s? Let me refresh your memory; embrace, extend, extinguish
RTC
Libera et impera!
It's Paul Joseph Watson, who is a head editor for Alex Jones's websites, Infowars and PrisonPlanet. Although he's less conspiracy orientated than Alex, he's still just as ostentatious and part of the right-wing who just shout down people and provide little substance to their arguments, as well as blatantly misrepresenting facts. As far as I can count, he's made only one good video, and that's the Saudi Arabia video I may have posted a while back.
Honestly, with the amount of sucking up to Trump and smear campaigns against Clinton and now Johnson, I'm beginning to think Trump may be paying off certain right-wing alternative media sources to propagate his campaign. He does, after all, have a chief editor of Breitbart as his campaign manager right now. I'm aware it's a bit tin-foil, but people like Alex Jones have a reputation to question every little detail, but seem quite content in glancing over Trump's misgivings.