USA Politics

I was always amazed by American "doing the taxes" stuff. Saw it first on Roseanne ages ago. In Croatia, you don't do taxes, taxes do you. Eg. the state first takes half of your pay, and then charges additional 25% on everything. Taxes are invested in sustainable development projects, like mayor's new yacht. So you have a really simple, hassle-free taxing system, and a nice boat floating in the harbour. I just love looking at boats.
 
A few quotes about Ryan and his budget proposal (pre-propaganda machine)

From Erskine Bowles (Clinton Chief of Staff and head of Obama's Budget Reduction Comittee)

"I always thought I was okay with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me, and he is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere," Bowles said. "And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget."


Re: Medicare. He worked with Sen Wyden of OR (certainly no conservative) and modified his plan into a modified version of Ryan's proposal proposal.

From Wyden


"It really starts from the proposition that no one would go out and buy a house without some idea of knowing what they're paying for.
"And much of what we're going to have to do with Medicare is to be sure that traditional Medicare with its purchasing power can be maintained, while at the same time we offer private sector choices, so that the two will strengthen each other. And in that sense, we recognize that much of the Medicare debate is not at all ideological,"
 
The problem with Ryan as a pick is that it's gonna be hard for those old folks in Florida to get past Medicare changing. I do think Romney's going to have a problem with it.

My thoughts on taxes are the same as always: close the loopholes, see what you're looking at for collection, then adjust some rates down, and others up.

Ryan's budget would tax Mitt Romney 0.82% per year, though. That seems..silly. (no taxes on capital gains)
 
Ryan and women rights, families, social issues. Check this out:

Paul Ryan: Just plain bad for women
https://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/08/paul-ryan-just-plain-bad-for-women

There is something missing in all the talk about the Paul Ryan pick. The focus has been on his economic views and his proposed budget, which would end Medicare as we know it.

We need to start talking about his extreme views on women’s rights and social issues. Ryan may come off as a harmless, smiling congressman primarily concerned with the nation’s debt, but he has voted for some of the most extreme positions on issues near and dear to many female voters.
Ryan voted against the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay act, a law that makes it easier for women to challenge unequal pay. Ryan believes that life begins at conception and that abortion should be illegal in all cases, including rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. Ryan co-sponsored federal personhood legislation called the "Sanctity of Human Life Act." For those unfamiliar with "personhood" bills, this is legislation to give a fetus all the rights of an individual, "to provide that human life shall be deemed to begin with fertilization." The real world impact of such a law would be to dramatically curb if not outright outlaw abortion, limit some forms of birth control and even threaten in vitro fertilization.

Ryan is staunchly against the contraception mandate included in Obamacare, claiming it infringes on religious freedom. Like Mitt Romney, he wants to repeal Obamacare -- which on Aug. 1 began covering a number of preventative health services for women at no additional cost. While being against more women having access to affordable contraception and essential women’s health care services, Ryan has also voted to defund Planned Parenthood four times. His budget would completely eliminate funding for family planning under Title X, the section of the law which provides access to birth control, STD screenings and cancer screenings to low income families.

So while the focus over the past 48 hours has been on Ryan’s budget and the false perception that he’s a deficit hawk, attention must also be paid to his views on the issues that impact women’s health and American families. Paul Ryan is bad for women.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/0...e-arrested-for-asking-questions-at-town-hall/
Paul Ryan Has Five People Kicked Out and Three People Arrested For Asking Questions At Town Hall
Last month, I wrote a story about Paul Ryan locking out jobless constituents from his office in Wisconsin. He has now gone from locking people out, to having them arrested.
At a town hall event in which people had to pay $15 to attend, Paul Ryan kicked out five people and had three arrested, all for asking questions he didn’t like.
When Ryan tried to claim that our job crisis is directly related to our debt crisis, a woman stood up and asked, “Our debt is out of control because of the tax cuts you’re giving…Our unemployment in 2003 was 6.2% before the tax cuts went through. Now our unemployment rate is 9.1%. What are you doing to create jobs, Congressman?” Instead of answering her question, Ryan kicked her out of the event.
After another person was shown the door, a woman stood up while Ryan was talking and said, “You won’t talk to us. How can we give our opinions when you refuse to talk to us?” She too was kicked out. Then someone stood up in the back and asked, “Where are the jobs, Ryan?” He too, was escorted out.
An older gentlemen became angry when Ryan mentioned entitlement programs, and said that he “paid into unemployment, Medicare, and Social Security for 50 years,” and he too, was escorted to the exit.

Paul Ryan went on to have three people arrested, all for asking questions. This is a violation of civil and constitutional rights and Paul Ryan is demonstrating what the Republican Party is willing to do to suppress people who disagree with them.
 
I generally stay away from most op-ed/propaganda pieces (even those I agree with), since their purpose is really not to give any sort of balanced view, but to pick and choose whatever meets their point of view with no thought to the merits of any other viewpoint
 
But these are facts. Especially the first article on his extreme views on women rights and social issues present facts.
Now why on earth would you not want to make your own picture more complete in order to get better balanced idea about Ryan?
 
Because the facts are somewhat distorted and it is not a balanced view at all.

Take birth control for example, the most popular (by far) prescription form of birth control is still "the pill" ... before the contraception mandate came into effect, any woman (insurance or no) could purchase a 1 month supply for $4 at virtually any pharmacy in America. They could save a tad more money and get 90 days supplies via mail order for $10 (again, no insurance needed). I do not see that as such a big deal, people pay more that that for condoms, which are also effective for birth control and the side benefit of preventing disease.

Lily Ledbetter was mainly a techinical argument to extend the statute of limitations for harrassment. That could be seen as a payback to the trial lawyers association, which donates heavily to the Dems and in part contributes to higher Health Care costs in the US.

I disagree with the GOP about abortion, but their stance really does not concern me. Though I think Roe v Wade was an incredibly poor decision on how it got to the result, the precedent is there. The only way abortion rights change is either an overturn of Roe or a Constitutional amendment ... both of which are higly unlikely. But the debate serves both parties well in fund raising efforts and empty rhetoric.

About Medicare, the plan Ryan puts forth was in part based on the recommendations by the panel Obama set up to study it (and other issues). It changes nothing for people over 55 and can be argued that it makes the program more solvent for years to come. The article you quoted fails to mention that Obamacare takes $716Billion away from Medicare to fund Obamacare on the premise that the system can pay doctors less. There are two opposing arguments, people can argue one has a better chance of success over the other .. .but they both "change Medicare as we know it". Again, a fun issue to demagogue.

The Planned Parenthood issue is also distorted, the vote to cut off funding is related to abortions. Not other services they provide. It is a small percentage of the money they receive and most analysts see it as no threat to the viability to the organization.

I am not sure about the town hall deal, I suspect these people were not simply asking questions, but creating a scene. Plenty of protestors were kicked out of Dem Town Halls (any many stopped having them) during the Health Care debate. If people had to pay $15 to get in, I tend to think this was a fundraiser and private event versus a Town Hall.
 
Because the facts are somewhat distorted and it is not a balanced view at all.

Take birth control for example, the most popular (by far) prescription form of birth control is still "the pill" ... before the contraception mandate came into effect, any woman (insurance or no) could purchase a 1 month supply for $4 at virtually any pharmacy in America. They could save a tad more money and get 90 days supplies via mail order for $10 (again, no insurance needed). I do not see that as such a big deal, people pay more that that for condoms, which are also effective for birth control and the side benefit of preventing disease.

Lily Ledbetter was mainly a techinical argument to extend the statute of limitations for harrassment. That could be seen as a payback to the trial lawyers association, which donates heavily to the Dems and in part contributes to higher Health Care costs in the US.

I disagree with the GOP about abortion, but their stance really does not concern me. Though I think Roe v Wade was an incredibly poor decision on how it got to the result, the precedent is there. The only way abortion rights change is either an overturn of Roe or a Constitutional amendment ... both of which are higly unlikely. But the debate serves both parties well in fund raising efforts and empty rhetoric.

About Medicare, the plan Ryan puts forth was in part based on the recommendations by the panel Obama set up to study it (and other issues). It changes nothing for people over 55 and can be argued that it makes the program more solvent for years to come. The article you quoted fails to mention that Obamacare takes $716Billion away from Medicare to fund Obamacare on the premise that the system can pay doctors less. There are two opposing arguments, people can argue one has a better chance of success over the other .. .but they both "change Medicare as we know it". Again, a fun issue to demagogue.

The Planned Parenthood issue is also distorted, the vote to cut off funding is related to abortions. Not other services they provide. It is a small percentage of the money they receive and most analysts see it as no threat to the viability to the organization.

I am not sure about the town hall deal, I suspect these people were not simply asking questions, but creating a scene. Plenty of protestors were kicked out of Dem Town Halls (any many stopped having them) during the Health Care debate. If people had to pay $15 to get in, I tend to think this was a fundraiser and private event versus a Town Hall.

Dude, your facts aren't all right either.

1. Some people can get standard hormonal birth control for fuck-cheap. But a lot of women can't. Some require expensive prescriptions because the regular pill doesn't work. Others need depro provera shots, and some get IUDs. Those costs can be upwards of $1000 plus a doctor's visit (which, in the USA, you need insurance for). Source: USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/health...ices-range-widley-from-100-to-1000/53434126/1

2. You could say Lily Ledbetter FPA was a kickback to trial lawyers. Or you could say that it is allowing women to sue for inequal pay after 180 days of employment. It has very little to do with the costs of medicine. One of the reasons the Lily Ledbetter FPA was needed was due to a Supreme Court caste that pretty much stated it needed to happen, and saves money on trial costs (over 300 trials since then that would have been avoided if this was law, according to Wiki). Making existing case law into federal law will probably reduce the amount of long, expensive trials and move people into the "cease and desist" letter range far more easily. Some lawyers will make a bit more, some will make less. Plus, I would think that equal rights are worth paying the lawyers a bit - isn't that how rights are affirmed in the USA, through the legal system?
Source: Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act

3. Yep, though I think some GOP members' stance on abortion is symbolic of a lot of deep-seated problems. It's still empty rhetoric.

4. I am assuming you're referring to Simpson-Bowles here. Yes, there are some aspects of that tossed into the Ryan plan (raising the retirement age, maintaining Medicare costs), but nothing like the voucher plan. S-B gutted Social Security more thoroughly, and that's highly unlikely to be discussed given the way the GOP paid for looking at privatizing it in 2006. Also, saying Obama's plan takes $716 b. from Medicare is, while true, more that it uses that as savings by restricting the types of tests that can be made: aka, Medicare fraud, which Forbes calls the biggest city crime. According to Forbes, those $716 b. come from removing a lot of unnecessary testing and also by local association budget cuts. So Obama isn't stealing - he's reducing costs, exactly as the right wants to do. They are paying doctors less - by not allowing doctors to defraud the system as easily.
Source: Forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...ally-cut-medicare-benefits-to-senior-citizens

5. Planned Parenthood is generally funded at the state level (except in some cases, as we will shortly discuss). What Ryan wanted to do was restrict the funding to states for the purposes of funding Planned Parenthood. Currently, several states (Indiana is one I know for sure) have voted to stop giving any funding to Planned Parenthood, and Obama redirected their state-based federal funding directly to the organizations with an executive order. It should be noted that the states that defunded Planned Parenthood did not remove their abortion funding, but in reality, removed all their money to try to kill the organization. Planned Parenthood mostly concentrates on women's health and contraception, but the states that tried to kill it, tried to kill all of it. So this is a convoluted issue.

6. This is standard now on both sides. Town halls very quickly became pay-only so they can be listed as fundraisers. I've seen politicians from both sides of the aisle do this - and some have proper town halls. Does it make me think Ryan prefers optics to representation? Yes. But most politicians do, because they're not smart or charismatic enough to answer questions they aren't prepared for.
 
A few points

1) I said the most popular method was the pill, and that was available at the prices I describe. For other methods, it certainly can be expensive without insurance, but it is also worth pointing out birth control is generally elective. People (myself included) may not care for them, but condoms are always an option.

2) Lily Ledbetter has minimal to no effect on the cost of medicine, I was speaking more generally of the need for tort reform. It is not a 100% fix for sure, but it is part of any solution to lower medical costs.

3) Not much argument there, one sign that is good is that younger GOPers (college aged)have more of a libertarian bent in general on issues like this, drug laws, etc. If I could pick the one declared candidate from the primaries I most agreed with, it would be Johnson (former Gov of NM). I would prefer that abortions did not happen, but in some cases it is probably the best option and that option should be there.

4) Fraud is certainly an issue, Obama/Dems seem to have issues with reductions in welfare and other social programs when removing fraud is the goal, a bit of a double standard. The issue with what is is doing though is that fewer established doctors are taking Medicare patients and/or capping them to a certain percentage of their practice. I live in a densely populated area and I can say from experience it was a royal pain finding a doctor for my mother in law that would take Medicare beyond DOs and Drs that were just starting out.

5) Planned Parenthood is tricky for sure

6) Town Halls have gotten a bit out of hand, I was mainly questioning the "they were kicked out because they wanted to ask a question" If they really were just asking a question, they should not have been kicked out. But sometimes "just asking a question" happens in a pretty rude and disruptive manner where they probably should be kicked out. I do not know what the case is here and people can certainly protest, but on a personal level I have a problem when it comes down to just shouting down speakers .. it seems very uncivil and a poor way to get a point across.
 
1) Yes, the regular pill is so available, but contraception is important. For those with health needs who can't get birth control at the drug store, I think it's great that contraception is covered. Even the regular pill is often prescribed by doctors for women with painful periods, excessive or irregular lengths, etc. Medicine should be covered, so I think making it available is good. Making it cheap is better, especially when 3) abortion is something we want to happen less.

2) Yes tort reform is something I agree on, but let's not denigrate the importance of LBFPA towards the requirement for equality.

3) To me, abortion is going to happen. We should make contraception cheap/free, educate our kids, and make sure that when it does happen it is safe and private. More education and better access to contraception = less abortions. It's the only way that works.

4) It's a byproduct of the entire ACA that doctors will be in supply currently. However many countries, including Canada, have doctor shortages and we do OK (horror stories are just that, and happen in even the best systems). USA will still have a pay-for-health system and it'll correct soon.

5) Yep. And attacking Planned Parenthood is very bad politically for people. Short term gain, very long term repercussions.

6) Yep. That's why I'm saying that this doesn't bother me. Do I wish Ryan would sit down with his people, answer questions honestly, listen to opposing views and give reasoned arguments or thoughts? Of course. I wish every politician would do that. Very few are smart enough to do it. Ryan probably is, but I doubt he cares - which is what happens to smart politicians.
 
I admit that I can't join this discussion that well because my English and knowledge of American politics might not be sufficient enough to understand everything (e.g. some abbreviations).

But still, bearfan, even if you'd downplay some of these subjects, do you consider Ryan's plans for the future (the things he says) more important than the things he voted for (the things he did)? Does he starts with an entirely clean sheet, despite his extreme views (and votes)?
 
It depends on the vote ... both parties will hold votes on bills they know have zero chance making it to a law. The votes are itended to either embarrass the other party or stake out position for negotiations.

With that said, I generally agree with the budget proposal he put forward, but recognize it was intended to be a starting point for future budget negotiations as everyone knew it had zero chance in the Senate and zero chance of Obama signing it if it did make it that far.

It is an odd system, but the same happens when the President submits a budget, the last one Obama sent down got close zero (or close to zero) votes in the Senate.
 
There has to be a consensus. I don't think many Americans are going to approve of a major series of Medicare cuts or changes - I think that in the end, taxes will be raised (effective taxes, maybe not tax rates). Just how it is.
 
Sadly, many Americans have zero problem screwing over their kids and grandkids to avoid having to do things differently. Which is why I gave Ryan credit in my initial post (and would even credit those on the left) that have made serious proposals to modify entitlements with an eye on the future and be willing to take the political hit for it. If anything it is good to have this discussion, Ryan does not seem to be backtracking and in a speech today Romney stuck with him. I'd rather have them lose and go down fighting the good fight than win and take the easy way out. At least the House looks certain to stay GOP during this election to prevent anything too bad from happening.

I had some hope Obama would pull a Clinton and take on reforms after the last Congressional election, but he has made zero movement to the center.
 
The problem with our political process is all the bullshit that comes with it. Anybody who is smart enough to do the job doesn't want to put up with the bullshit you have to go through to get elected. Do I care what Romney paid in taxes? No, it's really none of my business just like it's none of his business what I paid. Biden says that Romney/Ryan want to unchain Wall St. and that in turn means they will put us in chains. Now these so called civil rights leaders are saying he was talking about slavery.WTF!
 
Christie gave a great speech last night, I wish he was on the top of the ticket instead of Romney. It will be interesting to hear Ryan this evening.
 
That was certainly it in part (though I hope it is 2020 before there is another GOP contested primary), but I think the substance of the speech dealt well with a lack of leadership in the US right now and in broad strokes what the GOP economic/role of government platforms are. I would assume those themes will be the primary focus of today and tomorrow.
 
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