UK Politics

American commentators who see the EU as some sort of "leftist" thing are just exposing their ignorance. All the extreme lefties in Europe are opposed to it.
 
JudasMyGuide said:
While I don't necessarily agree with most of what he says, liberalism is indeed the sacred cow today in the West.
Click to expand...

How can liberalism be a sacred cow. That's like a chocolate teapot or glass hammer. If you're not allowing an opposing view then your not liberal.
 
srfc said:
American commentators who see the EU as some sort of "leftist" thing are just exposing their ignorance. All the extreme lefties in Europe are opposed to it.
Click to expand...
Indeed. The EU is seen as a massive capatilist wank pot by "leftists" which stops governments nationalising public services.
 
I am a proud leftist, and I have always happily listened to opposing points of view. I only call those who happen to be Nazis (by name or by deed) by the label. I believe in freedom of speech, save for a few reasonable exceptions, which seems to be the common critique of progressives these days.

I believe the European Union is important because fractured Europe a) has a very poor track record of peace, and b) individual European nation-states are becoming progressively more irrelevant in an increasingly globalized world. Nobody gives a fuck about countries like Lithuania and Slovakia and even Portugal outside of the EU. Even the powerhouses of the EU will lose their status as China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, etc continue to develop. Together, Europe had a chance to matter globally and drive the conversation. Apart, they will eventually be ignored.
 
LooseCannon said:
the EU will lose their status as China... Brazil, etc continue to develop.
Click to expand...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh man, sorry, but that was a good laugh. Brazil had a good run like 15 years ago, but has been in deep shit for at least 5 years, and with their new president things are only getting worse. My GF has a Brazilian friend who is fairly well off, for a third world country, sorry, "developing" country, and says things look pretty bleak.

As for China, it is crumbling under its own weight. about 7 years ago I read two articles, one in TIME and one in THE ECONOMIST. Honestly I forget which magazine had which, but one spoke of Chinas super economy posting double digit growth and how soon it would over take the U.S as the largest economy in the world. It proclaimed it the next super power, a force to be reckoned with. The other article talked about Chinas demographic issues. Thanks to their retarded one child policy of 1976 China, oddly, doesn't have enough young people to support their aging population. Also due to this policy their is a HUGE Male/Female gap as people favored boys over girls. This led to girls being aborted, left to die in dumpsters, abandoned at orphanages, etc. This disparity is NOT good. There aren't enough women for the men to marry, which leads to depression, aggression, social unrest, etc. This is seen in countries that still practice poligamy as well. As a kicker, like in Japan, women rather work and have a career than a family. China will crumble under its own weight and it is its own fault. Sure they got rid of the policy in 2016, but it is too late, the damage is irreversable.
 
Like it or not: I believe the European Union is important because it is the strongest economy in the world.
I am not saying that economy itself is the most important thing, but a strong economic block is important.
 
Onhell said:
Oh man, sorry, but that was a good laugh. Brazil had a good run like 15 years ago, but has been in deep shit for at least 5 years, and with their new president things are only getting worse. My GF has a Brazilian friend who is fairly well off, for a third world country, sorry, "developing" country, and says things look pretty bleak.
Click to expand...
Yeah, Brazil is having a hard time of it right now, and the new president isn't going to help. That doesn't mean they don't have a nice mix of 1) population, 2) natural resources, and 3) target markets to become a regional economic power. In fact, despite all their problems, they are still posting a slight positive growth. A recession is likely.

All that being said, Brazil has the 9th largest economy in the world and tons of potential for growth if they can pull their heads out of their collective asses.

Onhell said:
China will crumble under its own weight and it is its own fault. Sure they got rid of the policy in 2016, but it is too late, the damage is irreversable.
Click to expand...
China will hurt, but it won't die, and it's already the second largest economy in the world. That isn't going to change.
 
This afternoon/evening MPs will debate and vote on the following possible ways forward to deal with Brexit:

No Deal
Common Market 2.0
EEA
Customs union
Labour’s plan
Revocation to avoid No Deal
Confirmatory public vote (referendum)
Preferential arrangements
 
LooseCannon said:
Yeah, Brazil is having a hard time of it right now, and the new president isn't going to help. That doesn't mean they don't have a nice mix of 1) population, 2) natural resources, and 3) target markets to become a regional economic power. In fact, despite all their problems, they are still posting a slight positive growth. A recession is likely.

All that being said, Brazil has the 9th largest economy in the world and tons of potential for growth if they can pull their heads out of their collective asses.
Click to expand...

The numbers are there for sure, ON PAPER, it should happen, but it won't. I can tell you from first-hand account that it is incredibly unlikely. Mexico has been in a similar position for decades. The combination of currupt and inept politicians and an apathetic populace make it unlikely.

Brazil does have the population, but MOST of it live in fabelas, ghettos. the Olympics and the World Cup are excellent examples of misguided inevestments in infrastructure, misplaced and mismanaged funds and corruption at all levels.
 
It looks like Theresa is blackmailing Conservative MPs by promising to quit in summer if they vote for deal and it passes through the House of Commons. This might not be enough to do it though.
 
So who leads the Conservative Party is the priority issue rather than what form Britain's exit from the EU takes.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top