This is not democracy!

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Back to work, boys. Back to the Benedictines. "Ora et labora." [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
Back the good old days when men lived in caves, carried big clubs and dragged their females by the hair to go ensure the perpetuation of the species. [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
We wouldn't be here otherwise! [!--emo&^_^--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/happy.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'happy.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
And as for me, I'm glad to be here. [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
And we're all glad you are. A bit of female intelligence is always good (and it makes a refreshing change from the dippy 15-year-olds who wet their knickers at the mention of Bruce Dickinson or Dave Murray! [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] ).
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Maverick+Jul 22 2005, 02:56 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Jul 22 2005, 02:56 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Then, I suggest a dictatorship led by an intellectual elite of thinkers (writers, philosophers, scientists,...) for the good of the people. The people are most of the time unable to judge the issues at hand and should not be asked to vote for things they don't understand.

All dictatorships have been based on force and hatred so far. Why not have one that would only consider what's best for everyone, for a change?  [!--emo&^_^--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/happy.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'happy.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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THat's the way to go! A dictatorship of philosophers. I would love that. As long as they let the "vox populi" be heard from time to time, at least as ideas, and to let them knwo what needs doing...
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Black Ace+Jul 22 2005, 03:29 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Black Ace @ Jul 22 2005, 03:29 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]THat's the way to go! A dictatorship of philosophers. I would love that. As long as they let the "vox populi" be heard from time to time, at least as ideas, and to let them knwo what needs doing...
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Exactly. Although you shouldn't let them decide, you should in any case listen to the people, then act accordingly for their best interest. [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
.... and everyone should work to the best of their abilitiies! and retards should not be allowed to reproduce! everybody with aids should be executed to erradicate it! And Jews should.... scratch that, Owl would get upset [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--].... and anyone caught stealing should get their hand chopped off... anyone caught comiting adultery should be given a price!...
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Jul 23 2005, 10:36 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Jul 23 2005, 10:36 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]anyone caught comiting adultery should be given a price!...
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I wouldn't say so myself but how much would you say? A grand? [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
im drunk now so fuck yall

deveryone should just upo and die cux they all suck. i havnt readed any other posts her xcept mav's cuz hes not dumb. let people like us rule the world we iknow wha5tas the best for everyone.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Jul 24 2005, 01:05 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Jul 24 2005, 01:05 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]im drunk now so fuck yall

deveryone should just upo and die cux they all suck. i havnt readed any other posts her xcept mav's cuz hes not dumb. let people like us rule the world we iknow wha5tas the best for everyone.
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You mean mean drunk, selfish, egomaniacs who know nothing except what other people have told them? hmmm I think not!
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Jul 23 2005, 10:56 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Jul 23 2005, 10:56 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]You mean mean drunk, selfish, egomaniacs who know nothing except what other people have told them? hmmm I think not!
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Geez man, cut a hungover man some slack. I happen to know quite a bit of stuff which I discovered all on my own. As for selfish, far from it. Egomaniac? No, I just try to make silly jokes like this when I'm wasted.

Breathe man....breathe
 
Oh my bad I just noticed I forgot to put one of these ( [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] ) at the end of it... [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Man (...) is a tame or civilized animal; never the less, he requires proper instruction and a fortunate nature, and then of all animals he becomes the most divine and most civilized; but if he be insufficiently or ill- educated he is the most savage of earthly creatures.

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Even an Athenian admitted that the people can't rule themselves.
 
"Democracy arises out of the notion that those who are equal in any respect are equal in all respects; because men are equally free, they claim to be absolutely equal."

"Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms."
Aristotle
 
I'm paraphrasing from memory here (the wording is mine, but the idea is Cicero's):

Monarchy can turn into dictature. Oligarchy can turn into Plutocracy. Democracy can turn into anarchy. The Republic combines the best of Monarchy, Oligarchy and Democracy so they won't become bad.

-Cicero, on the Roman republic (does someone know the actual quote and tell me where it's from?)
 
Probably one of his speeches to the senate. I'll check.
Also the ancient Roman definition of republic would be interesting.
 
I don't know if Plato and Socrates came to realize this but, even Athens and Sparta of their time was already too large (populationwise) for their "Utopias" to become a reality.
 
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Also the ancient Roman definition of republic would be interesting.[/quote]

I think it varied... Marius' idea was certainly different from Augustus'!

[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I don't know if Plato and Socrates came to realize this but, even Athens and Sparta of their time was already too large (populationwise) for their "Utopias" to become a reality.[/quote]

Athens, yes, with a population on 30,000 free citizens... Sparta- not sure. Spartas population was always very small:

[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Suppose the city of Sparta to be deserted, and nothing left but the temples and the ground-plan, distant ages would be very unwilling to believe that the power of the Lacedaemonians was at all equal to their fame. And yet they own two-fifths of the Peloponnesus, and are acknowledged leaders of the whole, as well as of numerous allies in the rest of Hellas. But their city is not built continuously, and has no splendid temples or other edifices; it rather resembles a group of villages like the ancient towns of Hellas, and would therefore make a poor show.[/quote]

Thucydides, The Pelopponesian War, 1.10
 
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