This is not democracy!

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OK, I just have to rant about this, and this is the only place where I still feel that I can do it.
For all those who are not familiar with the current political situation in Germany, here is a short introduction:
Germany is currently governed by a coalition of SPD (Social Democrats) and Greens, headed by chancellor Gerhard Schröder (SPD). The opposition is made up by the conservative Christian Democrats (CDU), who are alligned with the Christian Socialists (CSU) in Bavaria, and the Liberals (FDP). The fifth-biggest party, which barely missed the necessary 5% that would give them a seat in the parliament (Bundestag) is the leftist Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS), formerly known as the follow up to the SED, the ruling party of Communist East Germany.
The current government was first elected in 1998, with a clear majority, and barely re-elected in 2002 (SPD and CDU both got 35%, it was the Green's 11% that made the difference).
Currently, I would describe Gerhard Schröder as the most inpopular chancellor in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany. Some recent studies claim that the opposing CDU would even get the absolute majority (49%) if elections were to be held right now.
Schröders inpopularity arises mostly from the inability of his government to keep the social system going. There are still about 5 million unemployed in Germany, and the system social security, backbone of the German society ever since the times of Bismarck, is failing; massive changes in the population structure, a differed political climate and last but certainly not least the re-unification have all had radical influence on the state of Germany. It can be argued, and I support that thesis, that the short-sightedness of the Kohl administration (1983-1998) is responsible for the sorry state of the country; it is certain that the Schröder administration has proven to be unable to change anything.
Just how inpopular Schröder and the SPD are in Germany becomes clear when you look at the governments of the Länder (provinces, states)- the vast, vast majority of them is governed by the CDU. In fact, only seven of sixteen have participation of the SPD; of those, only five have got the SPD as the party of majority; and only three are without participation of the conservatives (CDU/CSU). In turn, five governments are made up exclusively of CDU/CSU cabinets. Only three provinces (Berlin, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Rheinland-Pfalz) do not have the CDU/CSU in their government.
Now, this is where it becomes relevant.
A few weeks ago, there were elections in Nordrhein-Westfalen (Nothrhine-Westphalia). It was the last SPD/Green coalition of a Land. The SPD had already spectacularly lost the elections in Schleswig-Holstein earlier this year, and they spectacularly lost this election as well, to a CDU/FDP coalition.
Now, to continue the spectacularity, Schröder has proven himself spectacularly stupid by asking for re-elections, one year before the next federal elections would take place. It is dead certain that the current government will not be re-elected and that a CDU/FDP coalition led by Angela Merkel will come to power. You can say that Schröder committed political suicide. Why? I have no idea.
But that is not all.
Back in the 1990s, the premier politician of the SPD was not Schröder, but Oscar Lafontaine, a prominent figure of the left wing of the SPD, who was chairman of the SPD, and would have had good chances to become chancellor in '98. For some reason, he passed that to Schröder and became financial minister. About half a year into his term, he quit his job and retreated into privacy. So far, so good. He occasionally commented on the current political state, wrote a book, etc., all that kind of stuff a retired politician does.
Some more background: Recently, a few members of the SPDs left wing left the party to form their own, the WASG (Wahlalternative Arbeit und Soziale Gerechtigkeit, electoral alternative work and social justice).
So, in the course of events during the past couple of weeks, Oscar Lafontaine has proven himself to be a spineless arsehole, and joined the WASG, despite the fact that he found himself to be unable to tackle high government positions in the past. What is worse, now the WASG is fusioning with the PDS to form the ultimate leftist party. They even keep telling everybody who doesn't want to hear it how leftist they are (although they fail to deliver the message why they are so leftist).

What has happened in the meantime:
The Basic Law (constitution) of the Federal Republic of Germany does not foresee re-elections before the term is over. The only way to have such re-elections is by disbanding the Bundestag, which in turn can only be done by the Federal President (Horst Köhler, a puppet of the conservatives), when he finds a good reason for this. This reason would be mistrust of the Bundestag towards the chancellor. What Schröder did was to pose the so-called Vertrauensfrage (question of trust), which he incidentally did for the second time (the first time being after 9/11). It was planned, and it happened, that the Bundestag, despite supporting Schröder, said they mistrusted him, so the president has to disband it in order to have re-elections.
The big problem with this is that it was all carefully planned and executed that way, and this is definately a violation of the Basic Law. While it can be argued that it was for the better, it was not legal, and a government which violates the Basic Law, or one that knowingly gains profit of such a violation, is most untrustworthy. My big hope lies therein that the Supreme Court will not let this pass- but I doubt this will ever happen.

Now, my personal problem is, that if there are elections this autumn, which is more than likely now, there is no-one I can vote for with a clear conscience.
I strictly oppose the CDU/CSU and FDP for all they stand for and almost everything they have ever done and plan to do.
I also oppose the SPD for what they have done and what they plan to do.
I also oppose the Greens for the ineffectiveness of their policy within the last seven years of their government.
I oppose the WASG/PDS for both the policy the WASG has adopted and the presence of Lafontaine. Sadly, the PDS would have been the party I would have voted hadn't they fusioned with the WASG.

I have decided to vote for the Greens for several reasons:
-They have done good things in the past and it is not entirely uncertain that they might do good things in the future
-They are not the CDU/CSU, FDP, SPD or WASG.
-I'd rather have an SPD/Green government than a CDU/FDP one.

So, I'm deciding for the lesser of two evils. As you would say in Germany, I'm deciding between Plague and Cholera. I have to vote for one to prevent the other from gaining power- not because I want them there.

To draw the conclusion: This cannot be the purpose of democracy. You are supposed to vote for whom you want to have, not against whom you don't want to have. This is all just plain wrong.

Thanks for... listening.
 
Wow man....Germany is in pretty much the same political situation as Canada right now.

The Liberals have been in power since 1993, but since the last election have been in a minority government (they had the most seats, but not 51% of them). This is rare in the Westminster-style parliamentary system, whereas it's the norm in Germany.

They've had to appease the remaining parties: The Bloc Quebecois, a racist party whose main goal is to achieve independance for the province of Quebec. The Conservatives (Tories), the bastard offspring of the old Progressive Conservatives and Canadian Alliance/Reform parties. And the New Democratic Party (NDP), a left-wing socialist club.

The leader of the Liberals, our current Prime Minister, is a backstabbing swine who will compromise any principle as long as it keeps him in power. Gilles Duceppe, the Bloc leader, is beant on breaking apart the country (and his party doesn't run candidates outside of Quebec).
Stephen Harper, the Tory leader, will stand up for his principles, but they are just plain bad. He doesn't care about the 4 eastern provinces.
Jack Layton, the NDP leader, is a deluded socialist who always wears an insincere smile and looks like he's going to steal your watch. And he's a commie.

None of these guys are leader material.

In our system, the government has to resign and new elections held when there is a vote of non-confidence. Any bill which deals with public money is considered a confidence vote, as well as an actual confidence vote.
In the minority government, if there is a vote of non confidence, the Governor General (who is thankfully non-political) has two options: She can dissolved parliament and call elections, OR she can call upon the next biggest party to form the government (only been done once since Confederation)

But there's no real choice. Our Green party is still in its infancy, and has never sent members to Ottawa (but might next election!). Of the three parties I can vote for (the Bloc doesn't run outside Quebec), the NDP and Tories are too far left and right, and the Liberals have lost their vision and their leader is the wrong person to have at the helm. There's nobody who inspires...grrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for Germany, I hate to say it like this, but I need to be blunt: The worst thing to happen to Germany since 1945 was the fall of the Berlin Wall. Reunification has cost so much that the German economy, once second only to the United States, and slowed it to a virtual halt. Huge unemployment (10.5% I think) and trillions of wasted Marks/Euros have been the result of reunification. Had the EU not caused jobs and wealth to be sucked out of Western Europe, perhaps Germany might have weathered the storm, but the sad truth is that the days of Germany as the backbone of Europe are all but done. Those jobs shipped east to Poland and elsewhere are not coming back. Ever.
The same thing is happening in the United States. The decisions made by economic planners have caused massive unemployment in traditional "American" industries: All textile and manufacturing has once done with pride in New England is now in India, Indonesia, and China. Detroit is losing ground to Southern Ontario and Mexico as North America's centre of automobile manufacture. It's cheaper for a company to close its offices in Germany/America and move them to Poland/China where they can pay their workers only a fraction of the wages and still import their products back to Germany/America at virtually no penalty.
In other words, agreements like the EU and NAFTA harm the honest, hard working common people in the rich countries.

When times get bad, people tend to polarize. That's why you in Germany are seeing the rebirth of right-wing conservatives in the political world. I'd not be surprized if there are more incidents of neo-nazi violence now than before 1990.

I'm reminded of what happened to Great Britain in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Once they had been the dominant economic force int he world, but things rapidly fell apart and Britain needed a bailout from the World Bank to keep the pound from crashing down faster than the peso. What happened there? Voters looked to the right at the Tories under Margaret Thatcher and her promise to make "Britain Great once more." Germany isn't necessarily in such a bad shape, but it's getting like that more and more.

If Globalism and this lunacy known as free trade and the EU are reversed, then maybe governments will be able to look to the prosperity of their own citizens and keep knee-jerk reactionaries at bay.

In short, Perun, you can blame the following things for the state of German politics:
The reunification of Germany
The European Union

The dumkopf who thought they were good ideas, Helmut Kohl.
 
Maybe it would be of interest to you to hear a voice from the other side.

I come from a country that has been under communist rule for 40 years. There's hardly anyone I know whose family hasn't been influenced by the regime in one way or another.
Hard working common people lost their businesses, their land, their freedom, dignity and life even. And, in the 1950s and 60s, they also lost hope - noone helped when the Russian usurpators came to rule us.

Before you start thinking "Shut up, crybaby": Of course it was the people themselves who voted for the communists in the very beginning, after World War II. That WAS democracy: our own fault. Poverty and disillusionment with the powerful countries turned the primitive flock toward a sick idea of a bunch of uneducated arseholes who wanted power.

You may know how the communist rule in Eastern Europe ended. Officially. But in the minds of a couple of generations it has continued. One day, free elections came around. Democracy.
And oops, same mistake again! The primitive flock elected another one of their own, a man who almost brought this country to a complete disaster. At those times, some of us really had to vote against the greater evil.

I am one of the hard working common people too. I’m a taxpayer, I have a family. And now I enjoy the luxury of being able to vote who I want, or even to say to myself: „Damn, which of these puppets should I vote for?“
Yet I agree, it’s NOT what democracy should be about. It should be about freedom of choice but with responsiliblity on both sides. And enough prosperity, peace and EDUCATION so that certain mistakes could not be made again.
What a sad idealist I am! [!--emo&:huh:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/huh.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'huh.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]In our system, the government has to resign and new elections held when there is a vote of non-confidence.[/quote]

That's what I tried to say, but I lacked the word.

[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]In short, Perun, you can blame the following things for the state of German politics:
The reunification of Germany
The European Union
The dumkopf who thought they were good ideas, Helmut Kohl.[/quote]

I agree that one of the problems is the way reunification was handled. And I blame it entirely on the Kohl administration.
I do not agree that the European Union is a problem. I am a strict supporter of the EU. Of course it has its flaws- but so does every system. The EU has done more good than bad.
I blame something else on the state of German politics- the Germans. I can't imagine a dumber, more selfish and immature people in the world. Maybe some peoples are like the Germans, but I doubt that any are worse. I won't elaborate now, because I'm too tired (in fact, I only made this post to state that my opinion differs from Dukes), but I will...

Charlotte, which country are you from? Judging from what you wrote it's either Bulgaria or Romania, but I might well be mistaken...
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Perun+Jul 5 2005, 10:15 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Perun @ Jul 5 2005, 10:15 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Charlotte, which country are you from? Judging from what you wrote it's either Bulgaria or Romania, but I might well be mistaken...
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Slovakia.
And good analysis, btw.
 
Disagreeing with Duke is something Duke wholeheartedly supports!

I respect your opinion, though I don't agree with it Per!
 
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]... It is the international system of currency which determines the vitality of life on this planet. THAT is the natural order of things today. THAT is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today. And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature. And YOU WILL ATONE. Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little 21-inch screen and howl about America, and democracy. There is no America; there is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today...
... You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it. Is that clear? You think you've merely stopped a business deal? That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back. It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity. It is ecological balance. You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations; there are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems; one vast, interwoven, interacting, multivaried, multinational dominion of dollars...
... The world is a business, Mr. Beale; it has been since man crawled out of the slime. Our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality - one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock - all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel. - Arthur Jensen (Network)
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I love that movie, but anywho. I don't believe in democracy or voting why? because I'm sick of having to vote for the lesser of two evils because IT IS STILL EVIL. Government is a business, you vote for them they'll shake your hand you give them a million dollars they'll answer your phone calls. I've made my political views very clear in other threads so I won't repeat them here. I agree with Perun in that the EU is a GOOD thing.
Perun, from what I understand by "sad state" you mean politically right? because from the little I know Germany is relatively stable economically and in fact it is the backbone of the EU. Sure to people that live there it's a "sad state" but they don't stop and think, well, at least it's better than Mexico, Panama, Brazil, nearly all of Africa or my Eastern neighbors. Things will get better... I hope [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
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[!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] See? This is what political analysis does to young people...
 
[!--QuoteBegin-metalboyken+Jul 8 2005, 09:43 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(metalboyken @ Jul 8 2005, 09:43 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]politics suck! is my opinion after reading this !
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Oh no, politics are important. And fun [!--emo&:blink:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/blink.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'blink.gif\' /][!--endemo--] . Go and vote.
 
I'm not in the mood to enter a full debate right now, it's the week-end, I've worked a lot and just want to relax.

I just wanted to make a point about something I've read. Blaming the EU for everything is just too far easy. Every government of every country has used this logic, so no wonder people are more and more against the EU (it's always easier to blame someone from the outside than blaming itself...).

But, let's also be honest. The current situation of Germany, France and Italy, in terms of economic growth and unemployement partly derives from an European institution Germany fought for with all its stamina: the European Central Bank.

It's not that the ECB is bad per se, it's just that the use of monetary policy has been removed from the countries' hands. It wouldn't be a problem if all the countries were going in the same direction, but since some a lagging behing and some are boosting, finding a monetary policy that suits the needs of all has proven impossible. The EU is not an optimal economic body...

It is however ironic to see that Germany is:
- criticizing the ECB for only wanting to fight inflation and not helping them go out of their marasm, since it's Germany that wanted a copycat of its own central bank in the first place.
- violating the Maastricht criteria,s while it's Germany that wanted those in the first place.
- escaping the penalty fees (as is France) due to the above violation, while it's Germany that wished those were strictly enforced from the beginning.


I just said it's ironic and did not say that Germany should alter its policy because of that or be ashamed.

But I wish that big countries in the EU will be treated with the same standards as little ones, as these can't escape any kind of bad treatment put on them so easely.


Finally, when you analyze the current situation, it's kind of clear that countries that have retained their monetary policy (e.g. have not entered the Euro-zone) fare far better.

One disturbing example, France vs. the UK:


France has 60.7 million inhabitants, the UK 60.4.

GNP (in billions of Euros): FR 1623 & UK 1742

GNP per inhabitant: FR 26875 & UK 29126

Unemployement rate: FR 10.2% & UK 4.8%

Activity rate (people actually working): FR 64% & UK 74.9%

Unemployement cost (in billions of Euros): FR 22.4 & UK 6.1

People earning the minimum wage (in millions): FR 2.9 & UK 1.3

People working partial time against their will (in percentage of the total of people working partial time): FR 25% & UK 9%

Working poors (in millions): FR 5 & UK 5.5




So long for the continental social system....

Cheers
 
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one on this forum who gives a damn about the political scene in this forum. I feel priviledged to have come from the glorious state of Massachusetts, represented in the U.S. senate by 2 of the greatest Americans that ever lived: John Kerry and good ol' Teddy Kennedy.

Speaking of unfair in the political world, how about that Supreme Court ruling that states that State governments can seize PRIVATE PROPERTY and use it to help stimulate the local economy. Translation: the government can take your land and give it to big corporations because it'll "help create jobs."

So much for the land of opportunity...
 
[!--QuoteBegin-7thSon_ofa_7thSon+Jul 10 2005, 02:00 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(7thSon_ofa_7thSon @ Jul 10 2005, 02:00 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one on this forum who gives a damn about the political scene in this forum. I feel priviledged to have come from the glorious state of Massachusetts, represented in the U.S. senate by 2 of the greatest Americans that ever lived: John Kerry and good ol' Teddy Kennedy.

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Of course, they're both Catholic! [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]

On a serious note: I don't think politics are fun, watching country after country with corrupt governments, catering to the rich and giving a shit about the poor, coming up woth moronic policy and wasting tax money, and people voting for stupid bills like abolishing bilingual education in Arizona (when they really never had it to begin with) and voting against good bills (Tucson needed a freeway loop twenty years agao [Phoenix has two and L.A too many to count] but people keep voting against it saying they want to preserve the "small town" feeling despite the fact that tucson is a booming city. All because they are morons! People are sheep, and people are indeed to stupid to participate in politics.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-7thSon_ofa_7thSon+Jul 9 2005, 11:00 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(7thSon_ofa_7thSon @ Jul 9 2005, 11:00 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one on this forum who gives a damn about the political scene in this forum. I feel priviledged to have come from the glorious state of Massachusetts, represented in the U.S. senate by 2 of the greatest Americans that ever lived: John Kerry and good ol' Teddy Kennedy.

Speaking of unfair in the political world, how about that Supreme Court ruling that states that State governments can seize PRIVATE PROPERTY and use it to help stimulate the local economy. Translation: the government can take your land and give it to big corporations because it'll "help create jobs."

So much for the land of opportunity...
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Masshole Communist! (just kidding....one of my best friends is from New Bedford. SHe's going to be living with me for the upcoming school year)
I find it funny that Mass. was founded by Puritans, yet it was the first (and only?) state to grant homosexual marriage liscences. It's basically a big F-YOU to the Pilgrims! [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
What I like about Massachusetts is that the one state has produced the two polar opposites of America's political sphere. One the one side there's Senator Kerry, the intellectual liberal. On the other side you have Governor/Ambassador Celucci, the passionate conservative.
Another great thing about MA, and all of the 'Boston States' is that like half of the population is descended from Maritimers and Quebecois.

One point of order: the recent US Supreme Court ruling on Eminent Domain allows local (ie - city, county, municipal) government to expropriate private land, not stsate governments. Not that it really matters WHO does it though...
 
Darn right Onhell, thats why Kerry, Kennedy you and I rock! [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]

Funny story, I was vacationing in New Hampshire last week and I was asked by a man on Hampton Beach where I was from. I told him, "well I live in Northwest PA but I was born and raised in Lowell, MA." He replies, "ah so you're a Masshole, eh?"
 
[!--QuoteBegin-7thSon_ofa_7thSon+Jul 10 2005, 11:57 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(7thSon_ofa_7thSon @ Jul 10 2005, 11:57 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]IronDuke, are you a fellow Mass. native?
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Nah, I'm a born and bred Nova Scotian (about 1 hour from Halifax)
We send the cuty of Boston a giant tree every Christmas because they helped us out during the Explosion in 1917.

Lotsa respect for MA though...quite a few friends from there
 
Hey....someone just told me that President Köhler has dismissed the parliament and elections will be held. You heard it here first!
 
Man, are there elections before terms all over the world? That's weird. Our own guvermnet (installed last december) wanted to resing, after the Constitutional Court dismissed the reforms in the Judiciary System, wich is the only thing stopping us from joinign the EU at 1st January 2007. But the country has been hit by the worst flods in the past decades, so the gouermnet resinging would have been kind of a cowardly gesture...

The reasons for elections here would be that THe D.A Alliance is the major player in politics in ROmania today. THey gave us our president (Traina Basescu) and it's an alliance formed by the democrats (PD) and liberals (PNL). The other parties forming the rulling coalition are the UDMR (the hungarian minoritie's party, they are about 10 % of the population so...) and the conservatives (PC), recently changed name from the Humanist Party, to get closer to the PPE (they're political bitches, trying to get a slce of the European parlament seats Romania wll be taking...). THe prolbem is generated by the PC. In the electioon they formed a coaliton with the now-opposition PSD (social democrats) and they'e supported them in appointing the heads of the Senat and Deputy's Chamber. As I said, they're political bitches. They g in with absolutely anyone who has chances of wining.

HOpe i made some light. I'll be back
 
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