The Point, Dublin 20/12/06

I have to say that when I attended the Glasgow show I knew fully well what the setlist was going to be and I did have reservations because of this.I first saw Maiden with Dianno in 1980 and I do have to say that this was the worst setlist I have witnessed them play out of the 20+ shows I have attended! Having said that the guys did play supremely well as always and I did enjoy the show but just not as much as I have before.The main problem I think is the length of the tracks and to be honest the similarity of the tracks as far as structure goes this led to tedium begining to set in for me until FOTD kicked in and the show took of again.Whilst Magic man is a tad extreme with his post I can sympathise to a certain extent.At the end of the day seeing Maiden not play Number of The Beast and Run To The Hills and other such classics is a bit like seeing Deep Purple not playing Smoke On The Water and Highway Star or Black Sabbath not playing Paranoid and Iron Man you just feel a bit cheated!I do of course realise that the band must get fed up playing the same songs over and over but surely a band who have 25+ years of material to choose from can come up with a setlist to suit most even if it means playing some of the more obscure or lesser played album tracks.There has been a bit of pattern in recent years of some of the older bands playing complete classic albums in their entirity eg Dio with Holy Diver and Deep Purple with Machine Head are two shows I have been to recently but these were well known classic albums with running times of around 40mins and not the 70+mins of AMOLAD(which is a very good album that may be seen as a classic in years to come) so in effect they were a much smaller part of the shows complete running time leaving more room for classic material.
 
lightintheblack said:
At the end of the day seeing Maiden not play Number of The Beast and Run To The Hills and other such classics is a bit like seeing Deep Purple not playing Smoke On The Water and Highway Star or Black Sabbath not playing Paranoid and Iron Man
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Yes, that's the point. It's sad to see that Black Sabbath and, to a lesser extent Deep Purple, have become a cabaret.
 
Perun said:
Yes, that's the point. It's sad to see that Black Sabbath and, to a lesser extent Deep Purple, have become a cabaret.
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????????? methinks you may have misunderstood the point I was trying to make Perun.Which was that all major bands have major/classic songs associated with them and there is a certain expectation from audiences that attend a gig that certain such songs will be part of the show along of course with current material(and of course a certain dissapointment if they are not played).For me no Maiden show is complete without NOTB and RTTH etc As far as Sabbath being a cabaret act if you are talking about the Ozzy version of the band then that is indeed a valid point in that this lineup have not released a whole album of new material since 1978.As for Deep Purple i dont think this can be applied to them at all as the band still release new material, last album was released in 2005 Rapture Of The Deep and a fine album it is too.The only thing about the current lineup is that there is no Blackmore or Jon Lord who were the main contributers to the bands initial succes but that is a different argument altogether.
 
Perun said:
*sigh*
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sorry if im boring you mate but i thought that forums were all about expressing ones opinions :P
whether you agree or disagree with mine or anyone elses i couldnt care less but there is no need for your sarcasm :bigsmile:
 
Thing is, I'm afraid this will go in circles. In my opinion, you chose two quite bad examples to your point. Black Sabbath is a cabaret in my opinion, and Deep Purple is not too much better. Yes, they do release new albums, and they do play new stuff on their shows, but it really isn't much. The vast majority of songs on their setlists come from the In Rock/Machine Head era. Sorry if that triggered a bit of a misunderstanding. No harm was intended. ;)
 
lightintheblack said:
I have to say that when I attended the Glasgow show I knew fully well what the setlist was going to be and I did have reservations because of this.I first saw Maiden with Dianno in 1980 and I do have to say that this was the worst setlist I have witnessed them play out of the 20+ shows I have attended! Having said that the guys did play supremely well as always and I did enjoy the show but just not as much as I have before.The main problem I think is the length of the tracks and to be honest the similarity of the tracks as far as structure goes this led to tedium begining to set in for me until FOTD kicked in and the show took of again.Whilst Magic man is a tad extreme with his post I can sympathise to a certain extent.At the end of the day seeing Maiden not play Number of The Beast and Run To The Hills and other such classics is a bit like seeing Deep Purple not playing Smoke On The Water and Highway Star or Black Sabbath not playing Paranoid and Iron Man you just feel a bit cheated!
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Strange, as soon as Maiden finished playing 'A Matter of Life and Death' and kicked in with 'Fear of the Dark' I started to feel bored and this feeling didn't disappear until the end of the show...
 
Cosmiceddie said:
Strange, as soon as Maiden finished playing 'A Matter of Life and Death' and kicked in with 'Fear of the Dark' I started to feel bored and this feeling didn't disappear until the end of the show...
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Same with me.  It became quite "long" after the first 10 songs.  And the AMOLAD set-list seemed quite short.  I didn't realize it went by so fast :(
 
Perun said:
Thing is, I'm afraid this will go in circles. In my opinion, you chose two quite bad examples to your point. Black Sabbath is a cabaret in my opinion, and Deep Purple is not too much better. Yes, they do release new albums, and they do play new stuff on their shows, but it really isn't much. The vast majority of songs on their setlists come from the In Rock/Machine Head era. Sorry if that triggered a bit of a misunderstanding. No harm was intended. ;)
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The reason I chose Sabbath and Purple as examples is quite simply that without the massive influence and invention of those 2 bands + Led Zep ,Maiden and bands of their ilk would not exist.The influence that Purple especially have had on Maidens sound is very apparent ie Bruces great hero is Ian Gillan ,Dave Murray is clearly influenced by Ritchie Blackmore and Janick thinks he is Ritchie Blackmore! :lol:As for Sabbath Steves driving bass playing style is clearly influenced by Geezer Butler and all three bands Purple Sabbath and Zep were the original riffmeisters.That said Maiden do indeed have their own unique sound and i would not dare say they are copycats of any band they are superb in thier own right but do owe a huge debt to the aforementioned trio which im sure the guys would admit themselves.Coming back to the point of cabaret acts as i said before this can in some way be applied to Sabbath due to lack of new material but in no way can this be applied to Purple as far as playing Machine Head /In Rock material is concerned i for one would be gutted if they didnt play some of this stuff live as it is without a doubt their strongest material from the time the band were at the peak of their powers admittedly there is a certain amount of nostalgia now around Sabbath and Purple but Maiden are getting near that stage themselves.To be honest most great bands over the years peak period usually lasts about 4 -6 albums after that they tend to repeat themselves and or stagnate I would argue the same applies to  Maiden their growth stopped around SSOASS and whilst they have continued to release very good albums since none i would argue are better or even equal to their early years.
 
I think you'll find a lot of people who disagree with you.  If you ask Perun,  he'd say that the Blaze era was a golden era for Maiden (which I don't doubt from the what I've listened,  especially from X Factor),  and many consider AMOLAD to be one of the best.  If you asked me,  I'd say it's their second best album after SSOASS.  And I didn't give a damn about the absence of some "classics" (this term is debatable you know),  in fact I was beginning to get bored after the 10 first songs (didn't I mention that before? :huh:,  damn my memory :P).
 
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