The Bomber of Lockerbie is free

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Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi -aka the bomber of Lockerbie has been transferred to Libya

For the Pan Am Flight 103 (270 people dead) -->here

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Jack Straw (minister of justice, UK) said : Yes, it was a very big part of that. I’m unapologetic about that. Libya was a rogue state. We wanted to bring it back into the fold and trade is an essential part of it — and subsequently there was the BP deal.

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I felt awful after reading this. Justice ? Human lives ? Yeah right, Halls of Justice Painted Green, Money Talking.
Families of victims who will see the terrorist free -and of course NO ONE will pay  casualties.
Fucking SHAME
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:blush: I've learned it yesterday, and been surprised that you didn't mention it  :devil:

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Plus, the man has prostate cancer. Not a very nice thing to have at all. So even if he's on free foot now, he won't have a very good rest of his life.
 
I thought about that. First, it could be a fake cancer for the UK bureaucrates not to loose too much face.

And most important, even if he does has cancer, we speak about 270 families in pain; they don't give a shit cancer or not
they are in pain and they want to see him burn in hell.

Even Jack Straw accepted that this case probably sucks -by the way, kudos to him for being so honest
 
Quetzalcoatlus said:
And most important, even if he does has cancer, we speak about 270 families in pain; they don't give a shit cancer or not
they are in pain and they want to see him burn in hell.

The guy can't even piss properly anymore and will die in some time under extreme pain. What else is there to want?

Plus, I'm pretty sure he'd get better medical treatment in a British prison than in a country that likes to execute nurses.

Incidentally, the one ultimately responsible for the attack - Mr Qadaffi - has never been punished.
 
Quetzalcoatlus said:
I thought about that. First, it could be a fake cancer for the UK bureaucrates not to loose too much face.
His cancer is very real and very terminal. This was done under compassionate grounds by the Scottish Government and I very much doubt they would be swayed in any way by a Government that sits in Westminster. ;)
 
In other terrorism-related news, today is September 11.  Every year since 2001, this day feels strange, a little more somber than other days.  One of these years, I'm going to have to explain to my kids why this day is significant.  Not looking forward to it. 
 
cornfedhick said:
In other terrorism-related news, today is September 11.  Every year since 2001, this day feels strange, a little more somber than other days.  One of these years, I'm going to have to explain to my kids why this day is significant.  Not looking forward to it. 

That will be difficult, yes.  Just as difficult as explaining all the other memorialized days in US history, I think, perhaps a tiny bit more because the wound is still fresh.
 
Wait, you believe that terrorists attacked New York?

Maybe i've been listening too much conspiracy theories, but what's with sawed steel construction, the WTC 7 building that just collapsed out of nowhere (i think it was 7), and so on...
 
Zare said:
Wait, you believe that terrorists attacked New York?

Maybe i've been listening too much conspiracy theories, but what's with sawed steel construction, the WTC 7 building that just collapsed out of nowhere (i think it was 7), and so on...

You've been listening to too many conspiracy theories. Every idea theorists have come up with has been debunked, and you can find that on many places on the internet.
 
I was about to point to that link. Here's the excerpt:

Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.


Sometimes, there is more than one reason for something.

EDIT: Here's another link.

14. Why is the NIST investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 (the 47-story office building that collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001, hours after the towers) taking so long to complete? Is a controlled demolition hypothesis being considered to explain the collapse?

When NIST initiated the WTC investigation, it made a decision not to hire new staff to support the investigation. After the June 2004 progress report on the WTC investigation was issued, the NIST investigation team stopped working on WTC 7 and was assigned full-time through the fall of 2005 to complete the investigation of the WTC towers.  With the release and dissemination of the report on the WTC towers in October 2005, the investigation of the WTC 7 collapse resumed. Considerable progress has been made since that time, including the review of nearly 80 boxes of new documents related to WTC 7, the development of detailed technical approaches for modeling and analyzing various collapse hypotheses, and the selection of a contractor to assist NIST staff in carrying out the analyses. It is anticipated that a draft report will be released for public comment by July 2008 and that the final report will be released shortly thereafter.

The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:

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      An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

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      Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

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      Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.
 
That's what they answer.  When airplanes impact the ground, they disintegrate.  Especially when they are travelling at full throttle and are full of explosive jet fuel.  So, to answer your question - the plane was blown mostly into tiny bits, and so were the people inside.  There were no bodies.  There were bits of people all over DC, though.
 
Good lord, I thought Zare was initially joking.  Now it seems he's serious.  Is he actually disputing that planes hit the two towers, by questioning the debris???
 
Zare said:
1. There is no evidence to support their theory,

And zero evidence to support your whacky ideas.

2. Parts of the article are conjecture,

Your entire theory is a conjecture. Parts of the article are fact, though.

3. They are government institution, for crying out loud.

Obviously, since no government in the world would let amateurs do the investigations.

Zare said:
And,

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ht77debris

So where the hell is the whole plane and all people in it?

What Loosey said. Nobody wonders why planes get blown to little pieces in normal plane crashes.

BTW, is this enough debris for you?
 
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