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Ancient Mariner
I hate cigars... Stinky little brown crappy things
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The Ancient Mariner
Ancient Mariner
I quite like cigars. The smell's pretty foul but they make a nice change every so often.
I tried cigars once. I didn't see the attraction to them.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
And I don't like where this thread is going. It's about what brand of cigarrettes/cigars/chewing tabacco you happen to smoke or chew, NOT about insulting condeming or belittling smokers. I don't smoke either, but I don't care why other people do, they wanted to smoke go ahead, I don't mind people smoking around me, in life there is always going to be uncomfortable situations and smoking is one of the least uncomfortable. I hate the fact that people can't smoke freely anymore yet fat people, addicted to food, can gorge themselves all they want and nobody can insult them because some PC police decided fat people have feelings and smokers don't so you can insult, cage up in "purified rooms" and discrimate against the latter but not the former. To all of you that said "i can't see how you can start", "smoking is horrible" blah blha blah, you know who you are and you are no saint! You have you're addictions as well be it food, porn, Pot, coffee, TV, the Internet etc. Any addiction is detrimental to your physical, mental and emotional health. Deal with your own problems before you even begin to criticize others. [!--emo&:cussing:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/cussing[1].gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'cussing[1].gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Dec 3 2005, 08:04 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Dec 3 2005, 08:04 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I hate the fact that people can't smoke freely anymore yet fat people, addicted to food, can gorge themselves all they want
I think it's the fact that passive smoking has such an effect compared with eating. Smoking harms those around you, eating obviously doesn't. People just don't like having to breathe in somebody else's foul cigarette fumes.
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[/quote]I think it's the fact that passive smoking has such an effect compared with eating. Smoking harms those around you, eating obviously doesn't. People just don't like having to breathe in somebody else's foul cigarette fumes.
Wicker Man
Trooper
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Dec 3 2005, 05:34 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Dec 3 2005, 05:34 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I don't smoke either, but I don't care why other people do, they wanted to smoke go ahead, I don't mind people smoking around me, in life there is always going to be uncomfortable situations and smoking is one of the least uncomfortable. I hate the fact that people can't smoke freely anymore yet fat people, addicted to food, can gorge themselves all they want and nobody can insult them because some PC police decided fat people have feelings and smokers don't so you can insult, cage up in "purified rooms" and discrimate against the latter but not the former.
Have you ever heard of second hand smoke? The fat person gorging might be disgusting, but it doesn't hurt me in any way. People who have never smoked in their life die from second hand smoke, are you saying that's better then making smokers smoke in their own sections?
Edit: I know this is very similar to Conor's last post, he posted his when I was writing this.
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[/quote]Have you ever heard of second hand smoke? The fat person gorging might be disgusting, but it doesn't hurt me in any way. People who have never smoked in their life die from second hand smoke, are you saying that's better then making smokers smoke in their own sections?
Edit: I know this is very similar to Conor's last post, he posted his when I was writing this.
Black Ace
Trooper
You should see the Butt Out! episode from South park. As far as I'm concerned I hate the atmosphere in pubs and bars cause it's full of smoke, and I stink like hell when I get home. I've been tempted by various people to somke, but I resisted, because I know I don't have the willpower to stop if I start, and it's simply a vice I can't afford... financially and from a health pov.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
[!--QuoteBegin-Wicker Man+Dec 3 2005, 08:42 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Wicker Man @ Dec 3 2005, 08:42 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Have you ever heard of second hand smoke?
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So only if something directly affects you it is of no importance? that is the dumbest and most selfish thing I have ever heard. If something is harmful it is your duty to warn people, if they do it anyway that was their choice, why keep insulting them and saying how ridiculous they are just cause it still affects you? Fat people don't affect you directly? crowding up hallways, forcing airlines to jack up their airplane tickets because they consume more fuel with fat people on board (i'm serious look up the article on your own) etc. Again, you shouldn't take up a cause because it affects you directly or doesn't, you should take up a cause because it is wrong, smoking might be unhealthy but it is a matter of conscious.
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So only if something directly affects you it is of no importance? that is the dumbest and most selfish thing I have ever heard. If something is harmful it is your duty to warn people, if they do it anyway that was their choice, why keep insulting them and saying how ridiculous they are just cause it still affects you? Fat people don't affect you directly? crowding up hallways, forcing airlines to jack up their airplane tickets because they consume more fuel with fat people on board (i'm serious look up the article on your own) etc. Again, you shouldn't take up a cause because it affects you directly or doesn't, you should take up a cause because it is wrong, smoking might be unhealthy but it is a matter of conscious.
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[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Dec 4 2005, 12:53 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Dec 4 2005, 12:53 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Again, you shouldn't take up a cause because it affects you directly or doesn't
I think that is a very important factor. Is not wanting cancer, or some terrible lung disease selfish? Society does warn people of being fat, I don't think there is a huge PC debate over it, it's basically on the same level as smoking.
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[/quote]I think that is a very important factor. Is not wanting cancer, or some terrible lung disease selfish? Society does warn people of being fat, I don't think there is a huge PC debate over it, it's basically on the same level as smoking.
Wicker Man
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[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Dec 3 2005, 10:23 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Dec 3 2005, 10:23 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]So only if something directly affects you it is of no importance? that is the dumbest and most selfish thing I have ever heard. If something is harmful it is your duty to warn people, if they do it anyway that was their choice, why keep insulting them and saying how ridiculous they are just cause it still affects you? Fat people don't affect you directly? crowding up hallways, forcing airlines to jack up their airplane tickets because they consume more fuel with fat people on board (i'm serious look up the article on your own) etc. Again, you shouldn't take up a cause because it affects you directly or doesn't, you should take up a cause because it is wrong, smoking might be unhealthy but it is a matter of conscious.
I'll admit that fat people might cause inconviniance to people, but second hand smoke kills innocent people. Being against smoking because of second hand smoke isn't selfish, it doesn't just affect me it affects a lot of people.
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[/quote]I'll admit that fat people might cause inconviniance to people, but second hand smoke kills innocent people. Being against smoking because of second hand smoke isn't selfish, it doesn't just affect me it affects a lot of people.
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Can someone remove the "w" from the thread title?
Metal_made
Trooper
Well there are other things that are as harmful as second-hand smoking, like driving, for example they affect you lungs even more than a cigarrette, but who complains? no one, because this affects car companies, or what about all those factories?, yeah I know you'll tell me that there are groups who complain about this, but they they aren't listened anyway. Anyway, I agree that smoking is bad, but c'mon it's not the end of the world, because you won't get cancer because you are with a smoker, you get cancer when years pass, and if you have been like all those days with the smoker, and by the way, fat people also get cancer. So please, all of you who condemn us smokers, stop it, let me remind you this thread was about which brand of cigarrettes, (cigars or whatever you can smoke) you consume.
Wicker Man
Trooper
[!--QuoteBegin-Metal_made+Dec 4 2005, 07:20 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Metal_made @ Dec 4 2005, 07:20 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Well there are other things that are as harmful as second-hand smoking, like driving, for example they affect you lungs even more than a cigarrette, but who complains?
Before we go completley back on topic I have to ask, are you sure about that? I know car exhaust is hamful to the environment and most likely is harmful to people, but is it really worse then second hand smoke?
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[/quote]Before we go completley back on topic I have to ask, are you sure about that? I know car exhaust is hamful to the environment and most likely is harmful to people, but is it really worse then second hand smoke?
The Ancient Mariner
Ancient Mariner
I think smog and pollution in the air in towns and cities probably does do your lungs more damage than the bloke next to you at the bus stop lighting up. Spending 24 hours in Oxford is the equivalent to your lungs as smoking 61 cigarettes.
I'm not for smoking, but there's a lot of anti-smoking propaganda going about to make people stop smoking. If you research you'll find quite a bit of it isn't really true.
I'm not for smoking, but there's a lot of anti-smoking propaganda going about to make people stop smoking. If you research you'll find quite a bit of it isn't really true.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
[!--QuoteBegin-Wicker Man+Dec 6 2005, 12:04 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Wicker Man @ Dec 6 2005, 12:04 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Before we go completley back on topic I have to ask, are you sure about that? I know car exhaust is hamful to the environment and most likely is harmful to people, but is it really worse then second hand smoke?
Yes it is worse, sudies done in Mexico City show that the people that don't leave the city (the poor obviously) end up with black lungs from the pollution and die from lung failure... a direct result from the smog.
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[/quote]Yes it is worse, sudies done in Mexico City show that the people that don't leave the city (the poor obviously) end up with black lungs from the pollution and die from lung failure... a direct result from the smog.
Onhell, as always you raise some very good points which I disagree with [!--emo&
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Just kidding, I see your point and I think it's compelling.
I won't bother quoting your posts, but consider this a general reply to what you wrote.
The fact is that people who smoke do not just hurt themselves - they pollute the air with second hand smoke and make things disgusting for the rest of us. In Canada, they also represent a collosal drain on our health care system. Why should I have to pay my tax money to treat someone who knew what would happen if he did this to himself? There are people who deserve the hospital care far more.
Arguemnts that it's an issue of freedom don't stand up. Yes, smokers have the freedom to choose to smoke, but what about MY freedom to live my life free from the risk of inhaling tobacco smoke? What if someone liked to fire a gun randomly in the air - some interpretations of the law say it's ok because he's exercising his freedom to do that. But what if one of the bullets hits me? Why should I walk in fear, where is the freedom for me? (Yes, that's a bit of a leap, but you get the idea)
Do the same arguments carry over for other things like obesity? You bet. Fat people are a drain on the society and steps should be taken to solve the problem. Perhaps banning the consumption of fried food in public, like they've done with smoking. Ban all forms of advertising for Burger King and McDonald's, like they did with the tobacco companies, don't let people under a certain age buy junk food, etc.
Steps like these won't solve the problem (they didn't with smoking), but they'd be a step in the right direction.
I'm lucky enough to live in a province which has banned all smoking in any public places - i.e., coffee shops, bars, casinos, places of work, shopping malls, etc. Really the only place you can legally smoke now is in your own home, your car, or outside.
Remember - there is freedom to (do what you want), and freedom from (things that will hurt you). Both are essential in a democracy, for a man who fears is never free.
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I won't bother quoting your posts, but consider this a general reply to what you wrote.
The fact is that people who smoke do not just hurt themselves - they pollute the air with second hand smoke and make things disgusting for the rest of us. In Canada, they also represent a collosal drain on our health care system. Why should I have to pay my tax money to treat someone who knew what would happen if he did this to himself? There are people who deserve the hospital care far more.
Arguemnts that it's an issue of freedom don't stand up. Yes, smokers have the freedom to choose to smoke, but what about MY freedom to live my life free from the risk of inhaling tobacco smoke? What if someone liked to fire a gun randomly in the air - some interpretations of the law say it's ok because he's exercising his freedom to do that. But what if one of the bullets hits me? Why should I walk in fear, where is the freedom for me? (Yes, that's a bit of a leap, but you get the idea)
Do the same arguments carry over for other things like obesity? You bet. Fat people are a drain on the society and steps should be taken to solve the problem. Perhaps banning the consumption of fried food in public, like they've done with smoking. Ban all forms of advertising for Burger King and McDonald's, like they did with the tobacco companies, don't let people under a certain age buy junk food, etc.
Steps like these won't solve the problem (they didn't with smoking), but they'd be a step in the right direction.
I'm lucky enough to live in a province which has banned all smoking in any public places - i.e., coffee shops, bars, casinos, places of work, shopping malls, etc. Really the only place you can legally smoke now is in your own home, your car, or outside.
Remember - there is freedom to (do what you want), and freedom from (things that will hurt you). Both are essential in a democracy, for a man who fears is never free.
JackKnife
A Vivid example of masculine pulchritude
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Dec 6 2005, 04:45 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Dec 6 2005, 04:45 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Yes it is worse, sudies done in Mexico City show that the people that don't leave the city (the poor obviously) end up with black lungs from the pollution and die from lung failure... a direct result from the smog.
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Yes, I've been once in Mexico city (in 1996) and I remember my eyes started to water as I approached the city center from the airport. At the beginning I didn't understand why...
As far as I know this huge level of air pollution is partly due to car traffic and also to the topography of the region. Mountains are intercepting the winds and hence decrease the rate of air circulation... [!--emo&
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Yes, I've been once in Mexico city (in 1996) and I remember my eyes started to water as I approached the city center from the airport. At the beginning I didn't understand why...
As far as I know this huge level of air pollution is partly due to car traffic and also to the topography of the region. Mountains are intercepting the winds and hence decrease the rate of air circulation... [!--emo&
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Metal_made
Trooper
ENOUGH!! [!--emo&:angry:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/mad.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'mad.gif\' /][!--endemo--] This thread was about brands of cigarrettes, I know there are a lot of non-smokers who think life is beautiful and tobacco makes it ugly, but simply if you don't like to smoke, then DO NOT post your comments here, this is a thread for smokers, if you want to say to the world that smoking is bad (which it is, but at the same time I enjoy it), then make a new thread for all your stuff. [!--emo&:cussing:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/cussing[1].gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'cussing[1].gif\' /][!--endemo--]
Sorry dude, but conversations tend to evolve like this - staying "on topic" is highly over-rated, especially when the so-called "off topic" discussion is intelligent, such as we see here.
If I see a post regarding smoking, I'm going to give my opinion on smking, regardless of what the purpose of the first poster was.
Were this not on General Discussion, itd be a different story, of course.
If I see a post regarding smoking, I'm going to give my opinion on smking, regardless of what the purpose of the first poster was.
Were this not on General Discussion, itd be a different story, of course.