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Yeah, the most likely SiT song they'd potentially do again would be Stranger... since they've done it before, they know it works live, they can play it on point and flawless. Caught Somewhere In Time only ever done back on the original tour and even back then Bruce had issues staying with the tempo at times...Definitely a hard song to pull off...

They've never done Alexander The Great so not even back when they made that song did they think it would be good live :D

But yeah..Stranger should have made it!
 
SixesAlltheway said:
Yeah, the most likely SiT song they'd potentially do again would be Stranger... since they've done it before, they know it works live, they can play it on point and flawless. Caught Somewhere In Time only ever done back on the original tour and even back then Bruce had issues staying with the tempo at times...Definitely a hard song to pull off...

They've never done Alexander The Great so not even back when they made that song did they think it would be good live :D

But yeah..Stranger should have made it!
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True. I believe Steve wanted Stranger out in 1999 originally was because it didn't have enough energy in the set, which makes zero sense when they're okay with doing tunes like Ben Breeg, ATSS, and Coming Home.

With Nicko/Adrian agreeing to hold the tempos back towards the album versions on the current tour, I'm sure CSIT could be played such that Bruce would have no issues whatsoever.

And, Nicko has said that they rehearsed ATG sometime after Janick joined the band (probably for the 99, 03 or 08 tour) but the reason they never did it was because Adrian was still having trouble with his solo ::)
 
Yeah, particularly Ben Breeg is very similar in groove to Stranger...

Yeah possibly...but I don't know how well that song in particular would work if they dropped the tempo...the tempo is a pretty big part of that song.and even if they DID drop the tempo Nicko would get a workout going with all those fast double foot strokes in that tune...It wouldn't only be Bruce. I think if Maiden doesn't think they can do a song 100% it won't be done...

Might be Adrian or something was just "off" in that rehearsals altogether so they scrapped it... I've yet to see any source for it being Adrian alone..
 
SixesAlltheway said:
Yeah, particularly Ben Breeg is very similar in groove to Stranger...

Yeah possibly...but I don't know how well that song in particular would work if they dropped the tempo...the tempo is a pretty big part of that song.and even if they DID drop the tempo Nicko would get a workout going with all those fast double foot strokes in that tune...It wouldn't only be Bruce. I think if Maiden doesn't think they can do a song 100% it won't be done...

Might be Adrian or something was just "off" in that rehearsals altogether so they scrapped it... I've yet to see any source for it being Adrian alone..
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Here's a recap of where Nicko talks about ATG: http://www.metalsetlists.com/showthread.php?p=411651
 
Ah, cheers!

Well, they should rehearse it some more then! ;) maybe they've just let it go now or no one has brought it up since those rehearsals...
 
Lego said:
And, Nicko has said that they rehearsed ATG sometime after Janick joined the band (probably for the 99, 03 or 08 tour) but the reason they never did it was because Adrian was still having trouble with his solo ::)
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Adrian Smith has trouble with no solos. If he couldn't play it correctly, it's because everyone else was mucking it up.
 
SixesAlltheway said:
Ah, cheers!

Well, they should rehearse it some more then! ;) maybe they've just let it go now or no one has brought it up since those rehearsals...
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I hope they do. Interestingly, according to a french drum mag, Nicko said they would rehearse Prodigal Son for the '05 tour. I guess that didn't sound good enough either.

You'd think, with the end of their career as an active band not too far off, they'd be a little more willing to take chances on some old classics that have never seen the light of day.
 
Hmm, Maiden rehearsal demos would be golden! :D

Yeah, but on the other hand if the songs just don't sound good in rehearsals??...They can't take them on tour if the energy..or the magic if you will from those songs just aren't there...it would feel half assed if it doesn't sound right on stage and look bad in the set...

On the Early Days tour in 05 I was pretty happy with what we got there. I think they brought out a lot of surprises even if they've all been played before, but what they did bring out, Another Life, Remember Tomorrow, Where Eagles Dare, Drifter etc etc they all worked really well.
 
SixesAlltheway said:
Yeah, the most likely SiT song they'd potentially do again would be Stranger... since they've done it before, they know it works live,
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I think that's the point. They haven't been playing it live much because they know it doesn't work live. Drawing from completely unfounded assumptions, I would think they played the song for the entirety of the Somewhere in Time tour because it was a single they needed to promote. They dropped it from the Ed Huntour because Adrian was away for a few gigs, but did not re-introduce it when he returned because they felt the set had a better flow without it. And I think that is the reason why many songs we'd all like to hear again live aren't played anymore, because Maiden felt they didn't work well enough live. That is also why Fear of the Dark keeps reappearing in the setlists. It is an absolute bombshell live, and I could imagine they draw greatly from the boost it gives towards the end of the show.
 
Perun said:
I think that's the point. They haven't been playing it live much because they know it doesn't work live. Drawing from completely unfounded assumptions, I would think they played the song for the entirety of the Somewhere in Time tour because it was a single they needed to promote. They dropped it from the Ed Huntour because Adrian was away for a few gigs, but did not re-introduce it when he returned because they felt the set had a better flow without it. And I think that is the reason why many songs we'd all like to hear again live aren't played anymore, because Maiden felt they didn't work well enough live. That is also why Fear of the Dark keeps reappearing in the setlists. It is an absolute bombshell live, and I could imagine they draw greatly from the boost it gives towards the end of the show.
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Very fair assumptions there and I think you're right.

Yep. the set is built around high's and low's both for the audience's sake but certainly also for Maiden since they feed off the energy of the crowd and that's what makes them give 100% every night...and songs like Fear of The Dark, Run To The Hills, The Trooper, Number..etc..they all do that, and that's why Maiden keep building sets around them..Yeah, simple stuff really :) If they suddenly threw too many unfamiliar, very different kind of songs in there the show wouldn't be as high octane, energy wise as Maiden shows are..For example..Take AMOLAD tour...that was great for fans of that album, but admittedly the entire live performance of the album was a much different concert experience atmosphere/energy wise than what we're used to from them..
 
SixesAlltheway said:
If they suddenly threw too many unfamiliar, very different kind of songs in there the show wouldn't be as high octane, energy wise as Maiden shows are..For example..Take AMOLAD tour...that was great for fans of that album, but admittedly the entire live performance of the album was a much different concert experience atmosphere/energy wise than what we're used to from them..
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Maiden had guts to do AMOLAD. It takes guts to try something less obvious, even if that could/would not be appreciated so much as "easy scoring".
The most important is what the band wants to do, and I want them to stick to their own guns, even if that would occasionally mean doing something that is untried or less popular or relatively unknown.

Stranger in a Strange Land worked in 1999, but a sad event -Adrian's father had died- forced them to stop playing the song, because Adrian had to leave for the funeral. If there's one song that has so much Adrian all over it, it is this one, with the big emotional solo in it. When H returned, I can imagine that he himself rather didn't want to play it anymore, because not only it, but also he felt different (besides: it would also be harsh if the band would say: our condoleances with your dad, but we do not want to do your song anymore). If that sad event and interruption didn't happen, the song could really have stayed in the set til the end.
 
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Yeah, AMOALD tour was fantastic but it was a very different Maiden experience both for better or worse...mostly better for me personally :), but I have a feeling that the majority of the crowd was getting a bit bored of AMOLAD songs after the first well 5 or 6...No energy until Fear of The Dark erupted the whole place. Which is what I meant with usually Maiden needs those classics to have a steady energy going back and forth between the band and the audience.

I have no reason to believe that Maiden aren't doing exactly what they want to touring wise right now so that's good!
 
Good points about the energy of the setlists, but I find it hard to believe that ironclad classics like Flight of Icarus, Infinite Dreams, Die With Your Boots on, Killers, Stranger, Caught Somewhere In Time, and others would detract from the energy of the show.
 
SixesAlltheway said:
but I have a feeling that the majority of the crowd was getting a bit bored !
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To please the majority is not exactly sticking to your own guns. I mean, I'd appreciate it more if they would not (always) care about that. Not saying that they are only busy with the majority but when they keep doing the easy scoring (playing the same hits over and over), then I feel that these are the moments that they are busy with that aspect. Or just lazy to learn other songs. ;-)
 
@Lego

It's all about familiarity really I think, ain't no one at a Maiden show who doesn't know Run To The Hills, everyone knows The Trooper...I hate to use the word "casual" Maiden fans..but I'm sure that for some people tracks like Die With Your Boots On, Killers etc would be deep album cuts for them..."Oh yeah it's that song from that album, that I sorta like but hey it isn't as good as The Trooper!"
 
Forostar said:
To please the majority is not exactly sticking to your own guns. I mean, I'd appreciate it more if they would not (always) care about that. Not saying that they are only busy with the majority but when they keep doing the easy scoring (playing the same hits over and over), then I feel that these are the moments that they are busy with that aspect. Or just lazy to learn other songs. ;-)
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Well, it is if that's what they want to do themselves as well? But then once in a while they want to do something different and then they do 2006 tour or the 2000 material 2010 tour or what was it...

But yeah it all comes back to that Maiden knows those songs work so well. I mean, they have entire segments of the show/lighting/Eddies etc build up around playing certain classsic songs after each other..Maiden shows ARE very rehearsed they don't leave anything up to chance :) Bruce even says roughly the same to the crowd every night, most of the stage antics are the same every night..they usually stay in the same places for the songs etc..every song has to be not only played well, but also performed well and presented the best. They definitely attempt to not only give you a live performance but sell you a show as a whole and that's where the classics are so important also I think.
 
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SixesAlltheway said:
@Lego

It's all about familiarity really I think, ain't no one at a Maiden show who doesn't know Run To The Hills, everyone knows The Trooper...I hate to use the word "casual" Maiden fans..but I'm sure that for some people tracks like Die With Your Boots On, Killers etc would be deep album cuts for them..."Oh yeah it's that song from that album, that I sorta like but hey it isn't as good as The Trooper!"
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Right, but what I'm saying is it shouldn't be exclusively one or the other all the time, especially on history tours, though concede that having mostly "deep cuts" material on TFF leg one and AMOLAD tours was a pretty cool move. But considering that SBIT and ME had eleven songs in common, it's hard to justify.

If history tours are really about celebrating the past era of the band and not simply cashing in on "hits", then we don't need 2mins/trooper/notb/rtth/aces/running free/wasted years on a tour like Maiden England.

For example, I seriously doubt replacing Aces High, Two Minutes, The Trooper and Running Free with Infinite Dreams, Flight of Icarus, Stranger In A Strange Land and Killers would have made a major difference in the overall reception of the setlist, and it would've stayed slightly more true to the era covered. It's a matter of balancing the mega popular tunes that get played incessantly (hell, even TFF tour and ME had 7 "classics" in common) with other tunes that are just as classic.
 
Lego said:
. It's a matter of balancing the mega popular tunes that get played incessantly (hell, even TFF tour and ME had 7 "classics" in common) with other tunes that are just as classic.
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Definitely this..but I think they did do a good job on this tour, all things considered. We got Phantom, Afraid, Seventh Son, Aces High etc..but you'll never get rid of Trooper, Run To The Hills etc, you just won't. Just as classic to US yes but not the first time Maiden goers or the people who know them mostly from those mega classics :)
 
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